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There have been a few recent threads in which someone brings up the "politics" of HS baseball, generally beginning with the suggestion that some player may not be getting a fair shake with respect to playing time from his HS coach. Many have weighed-in with their takes on the situation(s) and suggested that summer/travel teams can provide the opportunity to "showcase" the player who may not have had a comparable HS opportunity. Collectively, these threads touch on something I've wondered about.

Admittedly, my only experience has been following along on my oldest son's exodus, but this is what I feel I've observed ("What I learned on my summer vacation"):

Short of shopping for a private school with the baseball program that best suits the needs of your player, he's probably stuck with the philosophy of the local HS coach, fair or not. Thus, I agree that, aside from "individual" showcase events, the summer/travel team is often the ONLY opportunity a player gets to make a CHOICE impacting his playing time and/or "exposure."

So, what summer/travel team choice is it best to make?

My notion on that selection process boils down to two basic types of summer/travel team opportunities, both of which will always require the teams to play at premier events likely to be attended by the desired college recruiters...these are the "extreme" types and, obviously, there will be many teams falling somewhere in between:

1) The best team on which your son will be a regular starter at the position for which he wants to showcase himself; or,

2) A team of great players where the emphasis is not necessarily on winning, but on showcasing the talent of its individual players.

Generally, the former type of team would tend to put it's 9 best players on the field at their respective positions (and KEEP them there) to win games/tournaments. This may be great IF your son is among those 9 and playing his preferred position(s).

The second type would freely subtitute players, even at the expense of the game, to ensure the exposure of each. As always, the greater the quality of the players, the greater the attraction of recruiters to the team, BUT this could also make it difficult for even a good player to get playing time if it was the 1st team's "type."

An example: My oldest son's summer team went to a regional tournament known to be frequented by recruiters from many schools. He was slated to pitch the 1st game which, unfortunately, was played at a locale most of the recruiters couldn't initially find. Accordingly, his very strong, complete game effort was seen by exactly TWO recruiters (from schools in which he wasn't interested) and, as a pitcher at least, he was then "out" of the tournament. Conversely, the opposing team (which appeared to be the far stronger/deeper team) in losing the game, threw 4-5 pitchers, none going more than 2 innings, but all seen by the 2 recruiters AND still available to be seen in later games.

What are your thoughts on the relative approaches? Which would you recommend? Would your recommendation change based on the player's ability, or the playing time/exposure he received from his HS team? Are there any other thoughts/considerations that should go into making the choice?
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Thanks for sharing your experience.

Fortunately, or unfortunately, much boils down to "being at the right place at the right time"...your son's experience at the tournament fell into the unfortunate category...he was at the right place at the presumed right time, but unfortunately the scouts and recruiters were not!

Sometimes it can be very frustrating can't it?
My summer travel team experience is also limited [last year was the first time for my son, now a senior in high school] but I do have some strong opinions.

Up to and including the Summer of 2005 my son played American Legion Baseball for a local post. After the 2005 Legion seasion was over, he was invited to "tryouts" for a West Virginia based 17 and under travel team. After the "tryout" he was invited to attend a Weekend Tournament in our neighboring State of Kentucky. He played shortstop or secondbase in three of the four games played and went 3 for 8 with two walks, two stolen bases and two triples. He commtted no errors in the field. He did not hear from that coach again and ended up playing for the West Virginia Beckley Bash 17 and under travel team in the summer of 2006.

I would say that the Bash Manager's philosophy was to make sure everybody got to play but not necessafily in the same game. For example, if we played four games at a tournament, almost every position player would start at least three of them. Pitchers had a definite rotation and he only deviated from that one time.

It happened at the Championship Tournament of the particular Organization with which we were affiliated. The hardest throwing pitcher we had asked to be allowed to pitch the last preliminary game because a scout from a school he was interested in had promised to come to the game. As it turned out, the scout from that school did not shoe up but scouts from other schools did show up, mainly to watch our opposition that was undefeated in our pool at the time. We lost the game 4 to 3 [all their runs were unearned] and our pitcher had several strikeouts and no walks.

From that one game he got invited to play for an Atlanta Braves Scout Team in the fall of 2006 and at last November's early signing he signed with UNC Greensboro, one of the schools whose scout happened to be at that game.

TW344
TW...I like that! It only takes one recruiter (the RIGHT one) to like what he sees!

What I was unsuccessfully trying to get the membership to weigh-in on was, given that most players can't choose their HSs (or HS coaches), the choice of the right summer can be critical if he has designs on college baseball. I was interested in what the consensus was on the type of team/coach/philosophy a player should look for in a summer team...particularly, a player who may not have gotten much time on the HS field due to circumstances beyond his control.

Apparently, I didn't make myself clear AND/OR no one really has a recommendation.
Your situation is very typical.
Over the years I have seen many tournaments where the scouts/recruiters only go to 1 field and or only go to selected games. They often don't stay the whole time and leave early missing the last day and often the 1st day of the tournament.
The type of team should be the team with the best players who will attract scouts. The team should go to several top tournaments or showcases. You will always be gambling on the amout of exposure given the choaches decision when he will pitch your son.
I remember a tournament a few years ago. 25-30 scouts were there to see my son and another pitcher. The other pitcher started the game and got beat up. He was supposed to do the 1st 4 innings and my son the last 3. I could hear the scouts talking about when my son would pitch. The 1st pitcher used up thye whole time limit and the game was called. My son started the next game the next day (Sunday) and there wasn't 1 scout. He was on a 17U team pitching against the senior 19U team and won 2-1 giving up 1 HR. This is part of BB. You go out and play hard and take your chances.
kb, I think you made your question clear, the problem is that there are too many variables to make a firm recommendation.

Should a player clearly be Starting Eight calibre on a quality team, that would seem to be the best situation. In that case, hidden fields, rain delays, days when the player is a bit "off", recruiters no-showing, etc. wouldn't matter as much because he's always got PT. But....if the philosophy is The Best Nine, what happens when a better player gets picked up at your player's position? (And a coach for a winning summer team will always be on the lookout for just such players)

The We're Here To Showcase coach offers an opportunity to all players. But that can also be a Lowest Common Denominator approach. Winning teams, alas, attract more recruiters. During tournaments, recruiters don't always stay for the entire game, nor do they ask the coach's philosophy. Given, say, that they're looking for a SS and your son is a SS, they may see the less qualified alternate SS play in the innings they watch and scratch your team off the list of teams to follow. Or they may arrive or depart just as your son is leaving/entering the game.

Pitchers? The variables are endless:
He's called upon to throw against the strongest offensive team in the tournament and gets shelled
He's called upon to throw against the weakest offensive team in the tournament and gains no credibility
He's having an off day
He's pitching in the wet
His defense lets him down
He's throwing to an unfamiliar or poor catcher and can't show all his pitches
He gets squeezed by the ump when his strength is painting the corners
No recruiters make his game, maybe because Big Deal Pitcher is active on another field
And on and on and on...

The most common story here is Right Recruiter - Right Time. It just can't be prescribed and routed out.... Give your player the best opportunites you can find and afford and trust his abilities.
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If you're good enough to set up the perfect situation in this unpredictable baseball recruiting time then you may be in the wrong business. Sometimes you have to make the best of the hand you're dealt. Or, if you're the superstitous type you can always accept the fact that things happen for a reason, forget what could have been, and get on with it.
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TRhit is right on - put your son in situations to get seen as often as possible by the right people.

As far as the summer teams - there is one other factor. Yes, he has to be on a team where he will play, and it must also be a high level team going to the top tournaments. But, I think it is important to have the freedom to go to college camps, Area Code games, PG showcases, and the like during the summer. Some summer teams require absolute lock step loyalty, despite the fact they will bring other players in at the drop of a hat, have backups at every position, or have pitchers who may only pitch once in a tournament. Be a wise consumer and find these things out ahead of time. College recruiting is about multiple exposures, not just a summer team.
I've told this story before.
PG Jupiter Tourney, committed senior pitcher on the mound, many ,many scouts and coaches in attendaence to watch the team. The senior, leaves after 2 innings, and a non commited senior comes in. Does a great job, and signs with SEC team. Oneo f the top junior pitchers in the country.

Although he didn't get the initial exposuer he needed, he was at the right time at the right place.
I agree with TR Hit and Tiger Paw Mom. Exposure is a combination of both luck and frequency.

But I also think an equally important consideration in picking a team is its schedule and the level of competition. I understand the desire to showcase--my son certain has--but at 17 the kid is still progressing and needs to play quality ball to continue to get better.

My son was picked up by a high-profile team here in Spokane consisting of the best 17 y.o.'s in the east part of the state. At the first team meeting, we were told our guys were going up against 19 y.o. college guys and we can expect to take our lumps. In fact, the coach said he would consider it a successful year if we went .500.

My kid turned down an offer from the team of a buddy of mine who only wanted to play 17 y.o. tournaments. He wanted the challenge of playing older guys.
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