Whats the Difference between D1&D2 colleges.Other than school size and competition is there anything else we should consider?
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from what ive seen depth is the biggest diffrence pitching being the most. atleast from a mid major stand point i watched OBU (08 D2 national runner-up) last 4 years. they were good just not as much pitching.
number of scholarships and roster spots, I believe.
It is not a straight forward answer in my mind. In general, I suppose, the D1 programs are deeper and play a more consistent level of baseball - fewer highs and lows. Facilities tend to be a better, scholarships more plentiful, funding better. Certainly if you are talking about the top 25-30 programs, they are the strongest college baseball teams around year in year out.
BUT to classify all programs based upon some level would be an over-simplification. There are plenty of bad D1 programs and plenty of good D2 programs - where the D2 is actually a better baseball program. Here in CA there are some D2 programs that could play at the D1 level in the weaker leagues year in and year out. Sonoma State, for example, is a very strong program that could compete effectively in some D1 league. UC San Diego is another strong program. In the South, there are some other strong programs that compete effectively.
One of my friends played for Armstrong Atlantic State (a D2). From their website:
http://aasupirates.com/sports/bsb/bsdyn.html
BUT to classify all programs based upon some level would be an over-simplification. There are plenty of bad D1 programs and plenty of good D2 programs - where the D2 is actually a better baseball program. Here in CA there are some D2 programs that could play at the D1 level in the weaker leagues year in and year out. Sonoma State, for example, is a very strong program that could compete effectively in some D1 league. UC San Diego is another strong program. In the South, there are some other strong programs that compete effectively.
One of my friends played for Armstrong Atlantic State (a D2). From their website:
quote:AASU has compiled a 167-101 record (.623) vs. NCAA I teams since 1983 with wins over quality teams such as Georgia, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Michigan, North Carolina, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, South Carolina, The Citadel, Jacksonville, Georgia Southern, Connecticut, Indiana, Duke, Maryland, West Virginia, Northwestern, Coastal Carolina, Louisville, Central Florida, Army, Mercer, Davidson, VMI, Winthrop, William and Mary, Charleston Southern, Illinois-Chicago, Georgia State, Bethune-Cookman, tied N.C. State and has played others such as Miami, Florida State and Wake Forest?
http://aasupirates.com/sports/bsb/bsdyn.html
Big misconception regarding DI vs. DII. School size (I assume you mean enrollment) means nothing.
DI= NCAA max 11.7 full scholarships allowed
DII- NCAA max 9 full scholarships allowed
No roster limit in DII. Some schools fund JV programs.
DI= NCAA max 11.7 full scholarships allowed
DII- NCAA max 9 full scholarships allowed
No roster limit in DII. Some schools fund JV programs.
From a talent prospective, I think much of the difference between division I and division II schools is based on the geographic location of the school.
For example I played at a division I northern Big East school. Every year we would take a week and head down to play in Florida. Being a fan of the game, I would often make may way over to watch some additional games, some of which were division II schools.
The southern division II school were VERY strong, with many of them having much more talent then some of the northern smaller division I schools that we played on a regular basis during the week. I think that is a fairly true statement for the texas and southern california division II's as well.
Those were my experiences anyway!
For example I played at a division I northern Big East school. Every year we would take a week and head down to play in Florida. Being a fan of the game, I would often make may way over to watch some additional games, some of which were division II schools.
The southern division II school were VERY strong, with many of them having much more talent then some of the northern smaller division I schools that we played on a regular basis during the week. I think that is a fairly true statement for the texas and southern california division II's as well.
Those were my experiences anyway!
I think it would be more accurate to compare college to college rather than Division I to Division II.
If one were to compare the DII KU (Kutztown University) to the DI UK (University of Kentucky) I would assume there would be more differences that just the number of scholarships.
If one were to compare the DII KU (Kutztown University) to the DI UK (University of Kentucky) I would assume there would be more differences that just the number of scholarships.
Fungo:
I completely agree... to compare Coppin State to Mt Olive would be much more meaningful...
(Coppin is, IMO, the worst team in D1 and Mt Olive won the d2 championship)
See also http://hsbaseballweb.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1786003481/...501018813#7501018813
I completely agree... to compare Coppin State to Mt Olive would be much more meaningful...
(Coppin is, IMO, the worst team in D1 and Mt Olive won the d2 championship)
See also http://hsbaseballweb.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1786003481/...501018813#7501018813
I would also add the coaching staffs of the DII programs ive seen only consist of head coach assistant coach and a volunteer assistant or one whose paid little and shows up little. whereas from reading DI stuff they have 3-6 coaches it seems like
quote:Originally posted by bakstop007:
I would also add the coaching staffs of the DII programs ive seen only consist of head coach assistant coach and a volunteer assistant or one whose paid little and shows up little. whereas from reading DI stuff they have 3-6 coaches it seems like
More and more DII teams have a full time head coach and a full time assistant. However, very few are under contract to coach baseball 100% of the time. Most often they have to teach a class or have another position on campus or within the athletic department.
[quote]I completely agree... to compare Coppin State to Mt Olive would be much more meaningful...
(Coppin is, IMO, the worst team in D1 and Mt Olive won the d2 championship)
A real life example is Florida Gulf Coast. They went D1 last season and ran away with the Atlantic Sun Title. They more than held their own with the other state schools in Florida as well. They beat FIU twice, Beat FAU, beat UCF, went extras with Miami, lost 2-1 to Florida, beat south florida. They won the league because they were hands down the most talented team. That includes Stetson, Jacksonville, and every other team in the A-Sun. We played clemson on the weekend, georgia tech twice, and auburn twice, and i would have taken their friday night starter every day of the week over any of the arms that the big named schools threw at us.
Would this happen for every team? No. But the more competetive DII schools would finish in the top 75 rpi wise imo, if not better.
(Coppin is, IMO, the worst team in D1 and Mt Olive won the d2 championship)
A real life example is Florida Gulf Coast. They went D1 last season and ran away with the Atlantic Sun Title. They more than held their own with the other state schools in Florida as well. They beat FIU twice, Beat FAU, beat UCF, went extras with Miami, lost 2-1 to Florida, beat south florida. They won the league because they were hands down the most talented team. That includes Stetson, Jacksonville, and every other team in the A-Sun. We played clemson on the weekend, georgia tech twice, and auburn twice, and i would have taken their friday night starter every day of the week over any of the arms that the big named schools threw at us.
Would this happen for every team? No. But the more competetive DII schools would finish in the top 75 rpi wise imo, if not better.
quote:We played clemson on the weekend, georgia tech twice, and auburn twice, and i would have taken their friday night starter every day of the week over any of the arms that the big named schools threw at us.
I viewed last year's schedule on the FGCU website but I couldn't find the Clemson, GT and Auburn games on the schedule to validate my following paragraph so it will be general in nature.
Your "friday night starter" vs the big D-I arms "they threw at us" is normally comparing apples to oranges. If you compare college to college it's misleading to compare your #1 pitcher to a "throw off pitcher" which is the normal approach the larger D'I's take on weaker non-conference matchups.
quote:Your "friday night starter" vs the big D-I arms "they threw at us" is normally comparing apples to oranges. If you compare college to college it's misleading to compare your #1 pitcher to a "throw off pitcher" which is the normal approach the larger D'I's take on weaker non-conference matchups.
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That's cause you won't find them on their schedule. I have nothing to do with FGCU aside from the fact we played them on the weekend last year. And we played Clemson on the weekend for 3 games last season. We faced The GA Tech mid week starter who ended up starting the 2nd game of the regional for them last year, and we faced all 3 of auburns weekend guys for an inning... twice. Bleier from FGCU was better than all of them.
and your "throw off pitchers" that you call them were all recruited SEC and ACC pitchers. No matter where they fit into the rotation. Obviously Bleier was not. I'm pretty sure he would have signed with clemson, ga tech, or auburn given the chance. The point of the comment was that He was at a Division II school and he was better than all of them. That's not something you can get on a website and "validate" anyway.
quote:Originally posted by surfdog:
Whats the Difference between D1&D2 colleges.Other than school size and competition is there anything else we should consider?
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