This is a hot topic on a local board. I thought it could be any time. Some wise folks there say NO!, not until July 1.
TR, anyone?
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justbaseball
Since the college cannot OFFICIALLY talk to a player until July 1 between his junior and senior year they can only OFFICIALLY offer a scholarship as of that same JUly 1 date !!!!
Note my use of the word OFFICIALLY !!!
Since the college cannot OFFICIALLY talk to a player until July 1 between his junior and senior year they can only OFFICIALLY offer a scholarship as of that same JUly 1 date !!!!
Note my use of the word OFFICIALLY !!!
OK, got it. It all came up because there was something in our local paper about an 05 player being offered a scholarship already.
Got some folks out here rattled.
Got some folks out here rattled.
The assumption you are making is that the scholarship offer is made verbally. In reality, a school can "officially" offer a scholarship in writing at any time. There is no restricted time period for written notification of a the intent to offer an athletic grant. The Letter of Intent cannot, of course, be signed by the athlete prior to the intial signing date in that sport. For example, we have a local basketball kid who was offered by the U of A in his freshman season and has "committed".Check the D1 manual Section 13.10 under recruiting for clarification of this issue.
rbinaz
If the coaches cannot have official contact with a coach before July 1 after the HS junior year--how do you perceive tham making an official offer ?---we are talking baseball here no other sport
If the coaches cannot have official contact with a coach before July 1 after the HS junior year--how do you perceive tham making an official offer ?---we are talking baseball here no other sport
Tom,
In theory a college baseball coach could offer a scholarship at any time .... in writting or via email.
I am aware of several 2005 players that made commitments to offers made several months ago.
Yes it is a grey area, but it is happening.
In theory a college baseball coach could offer a scholarship at any time .... in writting or via email.
I am aware of several 2005 players that made commitments to offers made several months ago.
Yes it is a grey area, but it is happening.
BOB
It is nothing official until after JUly 1 of the junior year
Lots of things change
Why have rules then !!!!
It is nothing official until after JUly 1 of the junior year
Lots of things change
Why have rules then !!!!
Tom, the only thing official is the John Hancock on the LOI.
Offers, whether in writing prior to July 1 or given verbally after July 1, can be rescinded at any time. The only difference between sports in this issue is the calendar.
Offers, whether in writing prior to July 1 or given verbally after July 1, can be rescinded at any time. The only difference between sports in this issue is the calendar.
justbaseball, are you talking about the discussion about Jared Lansford from Norcalpreps.com?
I noticed you post there too and you advertised for this website too.
I just read on that board because Im not a paid member so i cant post.
I noticed you post there too and you advertised for this website too.
I just read on that board because Im not a paid member so i cant post.
lefty - yep.
So do you know if it's true about Santa Clara? And if they did offer, is it too early to sign?
It is too early to sign...cannot do that until November during the early signing period. I don't know firsthand if the its true about SCU...just what people seem to be saying.
Justbaseball, you seem to know alot about the whole draft process and recruiting process. I was wondering if you know why Donald Brandt was not drafted. At the games I've seen him play this year and last, he has absolutely dominated. And if they did not draft him because he signed with SCU, then why did a bunch of other players who commited with colleges get drafted?
While I've met his father (and he's a really nice guy!) and him, I don't know what they told the scouts regarding his signability. I saw him pitch 2 or 3 times this year and I thought he was excellent. I also saw scouts at one of his games so they undoubtedly know about him.
There are a lot of factors that go into the draft. Signability, projection and more. While he is an excellent pitcher, perhaps the scouts felt he needed 3-4 more years at SCU to be "ready." Or, perhaps he said he wouldn't sign no matter what? Thats only a guess on my part as I am not qualified to evaluate him nor do I know what he/his family told the scouts.
In any case, I'm really looking forward to watching him at SCU and hope he has a great career there. I know the coaches at SCU are very happy to have him.
There are a lot of factors that go into the draft. Signability, projection and more. While he is an excellent pitcher, perhaps the scouts felt he needed 3-4 more years at SCU to be "ready." Or, perhaps he said he wouldn't sign no matter what? Thats only a guess on my part as I am not qualified to evaluate him nor do I know what he/his family told the scouts.
In any case, I'm really looking forward to watching him at SCU and hope he has a great career there. I know the coaches at SCU are very happy to have him.
From what I have gathered, your son is Erik Davis, right? If he is, what would you say was the most important thing that helped him get noticed by Stanford. Did he go to the stanford all-star camp? Or was it a Perfect game showcase? I was just wondering because I am 2006 graduate and I just went to the perfect game sunshine west, but didnt get accepted to the stanford camp this summer (hopefully next summer). Thank you for your help.
- Robert
- Robert
Lefty - Yes, Erik.
Hard to say the most important thing. He did go to the all star camp and that definitely helped because he did well there. You don't need to worry if you're an 06 as he didn't go until last summer before his senior year.
He did well at PG events, TeamOne, and Area Codes. All of those helped as well. He also went to their winter pitching camp as a Junior. But he went to other pitching camps in the area and in Southern California and all seemed to have some interest after those. In my opinion, PG and NorCal were the first to put him on the map so to speak.
At what point did Stanford notice?...I really don't know. They may have noticed as late as last summer, or they may have noticed well before...we live only 15 minutes from campus.
We'll probably never know.
Hard to say the most important thing. He did go to the all star camp and that definitely helped because he did well there. You don't need to worry if you're an 06 as he didn't go until last summer before his senior year.
He did well at PG events, TeamOne, and Area Codes. All of those helped as well. He also went to their winter pitching camp as a Junior. But he went to other pitching camps in the area and in Southern California and all seemed to have some interest after those. In my opinion, PG and NorCal were the first to put him on the map so to speak.
At what point did Stanford notice?...I really don't know. They may have noticed as late as last summer, or they may have noticed well before...we live only 15 minutes from campus.
We'll probably never know.
Just-
Thank you for your time and help. Best of luck to your son!
Thank you for your time and help. Best of luck to your son!
I know a prep basketball player in 9th grade who is a girl that has already been told by an ACC schools when she is ready to come to school, they have a scholarship waiting for her.
There are a number of "innocent ways" to meet or bump into a college coach and there are no rules that really prohibit a college coach from saying "ya, we would offer you a scholarship when you are ready, good luck with high school"
This is done to simply make a student excited about the prospects of attending that school in 4 years (as opposed to a competitor's school), nothing more, nothing less.
There are a number of "innocent ways" to meet or bump into a college coach and there are no rules that really prohibit a college coach from saying "ya, we would offer you a scholarship when you are ready, good luck with high school"
This is done to simply make a student excited about the prospects of attending that school in 4 years (as opposed to a competitor's school), nothing more, nothing less.
The key word is "OFFICIAL OFFER"
Keep that in mind or you might be disappointed--I have seen it happen
Keep that in mind or you might be disappointed--I have seen it happen
OK..if we want to use "official offer" as the criteria then we must be referring to the issuance of a Letter of Intent.
The Letter of Intent must be signed within 14 days of its issuance.
Therefore, the first day a scholarship may be "officially offered" this year in baseball is 14 days prior to the initial signing date of November 10....or October 27,2004.
The Letter of Intent must be signed within 14 days of its issuance.
Therefore, the first day a scholarship may be "officially offered" this year in baseball is 14 days prior to the initial signing date of November 10....or October 27,2004.
The key words here are "official" and trust". I know of 3 2005 players verbally committed to 1 of the nations finest programs. To have this particular school commit to a player is money in the bank, even though it cannott be "official until the LOI is signed on the appropriate date. "Trust" enters into a verbal commitment which can legally happen via email,letter or on campus visit.