Whats the ruling?

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Originally posted by swingbuilder:
Here's one I encountered yesterday....

Runner at 1b. The runner breaks for 2b to "steal the base" and the pitcher picks 1b.

Pitcher throws the ball away, past 1b man, so the runner goes all the way to 3b.

Whats the correct ruling?

If the ball stays in live ball territory R1 can get as many bases as he can safely reach.

If the ball went into deadball territory, the base award would depend if the pitcher was in contact with the rubber or had stepped off prior to the throw. One base from the rubber, two if he had stepped off.

Lets try this again.

The Pitcher PICKED, yep PICKED 1b.

The runner made it to 3b. The ball did not go into deadball territory. Whats the statistical ruling?

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Originally posted by swingbuilder:
Lets try this again.

The Pitcher PICKED, yep PICKED 1b.

The runner made it to 3b. The ball did not go into deadball territory. Whats the statistical ruling?

Jimmy gave you the ruling. Live ball.

This almost sounds like a scoring question, but I'll admit to being a little confused.

It sounds like the P picked to 1B with R1 going on first movement. The ball somehow ended up down the RF line. If so, I'd score SB for advancement to second and then decide E-1 or E-3 based on the throw. Was it catchable with ordinary effort? if so E-3, otherwise E-1.

If R1 was clearly picked off and a throw at first should've been handled with ordinary effort by F-3, then I might score PO, two base error on E-3 but highly unlikely from the tid bits I got from the op.

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Originally posted by swingbuilder:
Lets try this again.

You asked for a ruling and received the correct ruling.

If you want to know how this would scored, you'd be better advised to ask on a scorer's site. Umpires are not in charge of scoring.

Maybe Domingo can help with baserunning

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...HKOc&feature=channel

or... maybe not!

yep I asked for a ruling.

Was dead ball ever mentioned? The ball was never a deadball so therefore it was a live ball. Would there even be a UMPIRE RULING?

Typical umpire. Gotta be heard!

As for the scoring....the runner was stealing on the pitch and the pitcher made a bad throw.

So how you gonna score it? you guys who aren't umpires, of course.

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Originally posted by swingbuilder:
yep I asked for a ruling.

Was dead ball ever mentioned? The ball was never a deadball so therefore it was a live ball. Would there even be a UMPIRE RULING?

Typical umpire. Gotta be heard!

As for the scoring....the runner was stealing on the pitch and the pitcher made a bad throw.

So how you gonna score it? you guys who aren't umpires, of course.

You asked for a ruling. You got what you asked for.

Now you act indignant and insulting. No, the post did not say the ball went into deadball territory. Nor did it say it stayed live. As with many post there was a lack of information.

So, out of courtesy, you were given the proper ruling in both cases. And for some reason that upsets you.

Typical umpire? Yes. Providing the information that was requested. Gotta be heard? Only to the point of answering what was asked.

If you don't want to hear the answer, don't ask the question.

If you want an answer from a scorer, ask for it. Asking a question on the umpire page of a baseball site will tend to make people think you are asking for an umpire's answer.

You were listened to, treated respectfully and answered. It would be nice if you acted accordingly.

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Originally posted by swingbuilder:
yep I asked for a ruling.

Was dead ball ever mentioned? The ball was never a deadball so therefore it was a live ball. Would there even be a UMPIRE RULING?

Typical umpire. Gotta be heard!

As for the scoring....the runner was stealing on the pitch and the pitcher made a bad throw.

So how you gonna score it? you guys who aren't umpires, of course.

To make your life even easier than what Jimmy said...

Umpires deal with Rules 1-9. Scorers deal with Rule 10.