When is it surrendering the base?

Mike,
You made the right call....although I think your question is coming from a confusion of this rule with the requirements on a batter for a D3K.

For a baserunner, the NFHS rule is 8-4-2p
Note:
Any runner, after reaching first base, who leaves the baseline heading to the dugout or his defensive position believing that there is no further play, shall be declared out if the umpire judges the act of the runner to be considered abandoning his efforts to run the bases....

Here is what I think is causing your confusion.....on a dropped third strike (D3K)

NFHS Rule 8-4-1 i
a batter runner is out:

On a dropped third strike, he gives up by entering the bench or dugout area, or with 2 outs, before all infielders leave the diamond at the end of the half inning...

Stan, it's not a D3K, it's a caught foul, R1 doubled off. In this case if the R3 steps into the dugout or heads to his defensive position then call him out. If he stops short then he is OK.

MST is correct. Sounds like, from your description, the run should have scored.

ahh......reading is fundamental!!........you get what you deserve when you rush, my advice was wrong.....MST and Jimmy are right...

Chaulk it up to a senior moment, we still luv ya!

Thanks for the replies....I was afraid I had made the wrong call. I guess my thought as well was I cannot remember if the runner and coach had made any contact that could have been construed as having assisted the runner or stopped him from entering the dugout which would have deemed the runner to be out. Great site....I appreciate the feedback.

quote:

Originally posted by Michael S. Taylor:
Stan, it's not a D3K, it's a caught foul, R1 doubled off. In this case if the R3 steps into the dugout or heads to his defensive position then call him out. If he stops short then he is OK.

Ok, now I'm confused. Piaa agreed that the out call was correct, citing 8-4-2p(which doesnt deal with a D3K). You then disagree, and Piaa admits his mistake. But the OP Wasnt a D3K, which means 8-4-2p applies, doesnt it?
I have always thought that the OP sitch, or one similar, only merited an out when the dugout is entered, but not before. Now I'm wondering...

AA thought it was just me. Is there some hidden threads here?

Did three of you just say he shoulda scored, and the OPer said thanks, I thought I'd made a mistake, even though he'd called him out?

Sounds like out to me was the correct call.

I'd looked at this thread a while back stopped about midway through Piaa's response, the FED description. Agreed, 3 moving on.

PIAA and Otown did get it right.

For a baserunner, the NFHS rule is 8-4-2p
Note:
Any runner, after reaching first base, who leaves the baseline heading to the dugout or his defensive position believing that there is no further play, shall be declared out if the umpire judges the act of the runner to be considered abandoning his efforts to run the bases...."

OBR: 7.08 Any runner is out when—

(2) after touching first base, he leaves the baseline, obviously abandoning his
effort to touch the next base;