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I remember this being discussed in the past year or two but couldn't find the thread - so apologies in advance.

8th inning of an American Legion game. The leadoff runner (the tying run) walks and the defensive team asks for time to have a conference at the mound. After the conference, the pitcher toes the rubber, takes a sign, comes set, then overthrows on a pickoff move to first. Runner ends up on third. Defensive team coaches protest that the ball was still dead since the HP umpire had never EXPLICITLY put it back in play by either hand or audible signal. (Of course, the whole game had been played the same way up to this point with no complaints about it.)
Umpire agreed that he had not explicitly signalled, and the rest of the game was played under protest. Was this protest winnable on appeal? i.e. do the rules require an explicit time-in signal? thanks
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Thanks MST,
I must admit that I was surprised by your response, since if it wasn't protestable then I wouldn't have expected the umpire to formally accept and note the protest in the book. This guy appeared to be in his sixties and competent (though a little passive); maybe he needed this little reminder.

[Playoff time in AL baseball seems to be protest time - last year we replayed the last few innings of a game because one player hadn't worn the appropriate patch on his sleeve - the same patch had been worn all season. Still, it's high-quality baseball and very intense for a large portion of the fans.]
This is one of my pet peaves, put the ball in play.

Even if it's a nod, but preferably a point or wave, something. As stated, hope he learned a valuable lesson. This should just never come up with an experieced umpire IMO.
On foul balls, hbp, anything that kills time, needs to be signalled to play. After time, I always at least have the stop sign up, soon as I drop it we're playing. I personally give the ole "starter's pistol" to the pitcher with verbal "play" loud enough for batter and catcher, during the game. I am very adamant and clear signaling at the beginning of game

I have a few partners that I just don't have it through their skulls yet. We are a small organization, all are former and current SB umpires. All are excellent at the big 6 but these little things keep cropping up, from just a lack of baseball experience, I won't give up on em.

The OP, what was the outcome or are you still waiting? I'm surprised blue just didn't say I pointed or something. I mean everybody in the yard thought it was in play, why didn't the umpire?

Did he leave the runner at 3rd or put him back with no pitch?

I would think the appeal will be rejected, but am torn.
My argument against is: I put my hand/s down, F1, F2 were in their spots, the batter and R1 were where they were supposed to be, everything indicates "play".

My argument for; Umpire said he "didn't put the ball in play". That by definition means "time was out".

From the PBUC manual: After the ball is dead, the plate umpire shall resume play by calling "Play" (pointing to the pitcher)...
Appreciated your comments jjk.
To reply: the original situation became moot - the protesting team ended up winning in extra innings.
The umpire did not move anyone, letting the play stand. I was too far away to hear what he said, but I inferred that he must have agreed that he didn't signal, and that's why he accepted the protest. It seems to me he could have just said "I nodded" or "I squatted" and that passes for a signal putting the ball in play. Thanks again.
[following is for a rules error, not judgement call]

Dad, the umpire noting and recording the protest is for admin purposes, he's not 'accepting' the protest (as in he's agreeing with the complaint). its a requirement. Coach says "I protest", I write it down, tell the scorekeeper, etc and go on with the game. The protest itself isnt relevant.

The merits of the protest are not decided by me on the spot, so I just note the circumstances and finish the game.

Im sure your umppire was doing the same, whether he agreed with the protest or not.
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I'm psycotic about putting the ball in play. Also, I watch the the ball at all times. This means if the PU doesn't verbally put the ball in play, then I don't know when it is or isn't live. I had this come up an an Amearican Legion game a few weeks ago. I was on the bases, the pitcher made a nice move to first. Before making a call I asked the PU if the ball was in play. It wasn't so no pick.
Umpires will try to avoid a protest if possible. They will also try to get the game moving with the least amount of argument and ejections. So at times, we will take a protest that we know won't be allowed because it's a judgement call. But instead of standing there and prolonging the discussion we will note the protest and move on. Here again it will prove my oint that a protest will teach somebody something.

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