Which one is out?

The hitter is definitely the one out as he is the one who passed the runner. I believe all three of the baserunners are allowed to score and the hit is scored as a single. This type of play has happened multiple times in ML history. As a precedent, on July 4th 1976, Tim McCarver hit an apparent grand slam in Pittsburgh, but passed Garry Maddox between first and second. He was awarded a single with three RBI's. Another example occurred on June 19th, 1974 when Giant Ed Goodson hit a homerun off Bob Gibson but passed the same knucklehead, Garry Maddox between first and second and was awarded a single with one RBI.

One example where it was scored differently was in the 1999 NL Championship Series when Robin Ventura
hit an apparent game winning grand slam in the 15th inning but after each runner had advanced one base, Pratt the runner who had been on first ran back towards Ventura to hug him and Ventura passed him while nobody except the winning run on third bothered to cross home plate. Ventura was awarded a single with one RBI. In the other above cases, the other runners completed their circuit around the basesand were thus counted as RBI's.

I am thinking this is true even when the out for passing a runner is the third out?

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Which offensive player is the one called out? The one who was hitting or the one who was on base?

How many of the runners are allowed to score?

Thanks

Coach, the runner that passes the preceding runner is the one called out.

How many allowed to score depends upon how many outs there are. If less than two, then all but the BR since he was called out.

If there are two outs then it depends but in this case, any runs that scored before the out would stand.

All preceding runners would score even if the out for passing was the 3rd out. It is not a time play. The runners were awarded home when the ball left the park, i.e., when the ball became dead. They are allowed to complete their respective baserunning awards.

Dash-

I disagree, this is the same as if a runner misses a base on a home run with two outs.

OBR Rule 4.11 (c) Approved Ruling:

The batter hits a home run out of the playing field to win the game in the last half of the ninth or an extra inning, but is called out for passing a preceding runner. The game ends immediately when the winning run is scored, unless there are two out and the winning run has not yet reached home plate whenthe runner passes another, in which case the inning is over and only those runs that scored before the runner passes another shall count.

Not in FED.

9.1.1 M With R1 at 2nd base and R2 at 1st base (ugh) and two outs, B5 hits a home run out of the park. While running the bases, B5 passes R2 at first.

RULING: B5 is declared out. R1 and R2 will be awarded home and allowed to score due to the award from the home run.

Ah, I did not realize Fed was different. I guess that raises the question then what rule set this tournament was played under?

Dash, what if in this same scenario with two outs, R1 (the real R1), misses second in Fed and is ruled out on appeal? Is only one run, R2 scored or do they treat this the same as the case play?

It seems kind of strange to me that Fed would be different on this.

Welpe it was played under Fed rules.

Thanks guys

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Originally posted by Welpe:

Dash, what if in this same scenario with two outs, R1 (the real R1), misses second in Fed and is ruled out on appeal? Is only one run, R2 scored or do they treat this the same as the case play?

No runs can score when the 3rd out is a force. All rules codes agree.

D'oh...bad example, of course that is the case for a force.

Same scenario but say R1 misses third.

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Originally posted by Welpe:
D'oh...bad example, of course that is the case for a force.

Same scenario but say R1 misses third.

Preceding runners would score. Time play.

Well glad the Fed is not that extreme. Still wonder why the difference between OBR on passing a runner.

Sorry I was late to the game, I knew there was a difference between OBR and Fed. Another odd but true.

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Originally posted by Welpe:
Still wonder why the difference between OBR on passing a runner.

FED had Brad Rumble.

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Originally posted by Jimmy03:
FED had Brad Rumble.

Can we use that as the explanation for all cockamamie FED differences?

Pretty much.

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Originally posted by Michael S. Taylor:
Sorry I was late to the game, I knew there was a difference between OBR and Fed. Another odd but true.

Good point.

Similar situation in our game except it wasn't a homerun. Bases loaded but the batter passes the kid at first. Ump somehow misses this even though our entire team is now yelling. Then, they switch back to correct order which ump misses again. Finally the kid that was out at first takes out the catcher without sliding. Had to even argue that. All runs score except the batter who is on second and the player that got called for not sliding. We eventually lose the game by one. Tough loss.