quote:Originally posted by lafmom:
...Congrats of U Cincy too... what a season they have experienced!!
Why thank you!
Why thank you!
Why thank you!
TR also predicted Vince Young was not an NFL quarterback. 
Based on that I like Tebow's chances! As for everything else, he's a good kid and role model. As is Colt McCoy. How refreshing in this day of Ocho-Cinco!
Based on that I like Tebow's chances! As for everything else, he's a good kid and role model. As is Colt McCoy. How refreshing in this day of Ocho-Cinco!
Natural
He still has to prove himself over a period of time---we have seen a lot of young QBs come on hot and fast and then fade just as rapidly.
He still has to prove himself over a period of time---we have seen a lot of young QBs come on hot and fast and then fade just as rapidly.
What does it matter if a player doesn't live up to the next level? Why not acknowledge what he has achieved at the current one?
Let me ask a question, if our sons were successful at the college level in baseball, not making it to the next level means they failed?
Is that how we measure a person's success in life, by what level they reach?
As far as I am concerned, most college football players just like college baseball players will not be successful at the next level. I guess they are all a bunch of failures.
Let me ask a question, if our sons were successful at the college level in baseball, not making it to the next level means they failed?
Is that how we measure a person's success in life, by what level they reach?
As far as I am concerned, most college football players just like college baseball players will not be successful at the next level. I guess they are all a bunch of failures.
Guess this is not good enough for you TR:
Vince Young is now 23-12 as an NFL starter. Last night on Sportscenter they put up this stat: of all QB's drafted since 2000, with a minimum of 20 starts, VY is 4th in winning percentage:
Tom Brady
Ben Rothleisberger
Phillip Rivers
Vince Young
As for his college record, he was 30-2 as a starter at Texas. Dude just wins.
Vince Young is now 23-12 as an NFL starter. Last night on Sportscenter they put up this stat: of all QB's drafted since 2000, with a minimum of 20 starts, VY is 4th in winning percentage:
Tom Brady
Ben Rothleisberger
Phillip Rivers
Vince Young
As for his college record, he was 30-2 as a starter at Texas. Dude just wins.
Career QB rating - 71.9
Career TD's - 26
Career Int's - 34
Could it be the Titans won in spite of Young before this year? And this year he has been efficient? Has he put more than five good games together in his career? In the past five games he's thrown 4 TD's and 2 INT's. Except for the last game he's not throwing the ball much. He has one of the best running backs in pro football lined up behind him with the defense keying on him. I'd say the team has won five games with Young being efficient.
Update: Against a strong team today and playing from behind Young had a QB efficiency of 77.8 which is mediocre. Chris Johnson had another big game with 113 yards.
The previous five teams Young was efficient against were 3-3, 3-4, 3-4, 5-4, and 7-3 but missing their All-Pro QB. In those same five games Chris Johnson ran for 657 yards and seven touchdowns. Johnson is carrying the offense and Young along for the ride. The biggest change on the Titans has been playing better defense.
To put Young in the same sentence with Rothleisberger and Brady is a HUUUUUUUUGE JOKE.
To put him in the same sentence as Rivers is extremely funny. If winning is important let's see a Young led team win a Super Bowl before we put him in the same sentence as Trent Dilfer.
Career TD's - 26
Career Int's - 34
Could it be the Titans won in spite of Young before this year? And this year he has been efficient? Has he put more than five good games together in his career? In the past five games he's thrown 4 TD's and 2 INT's. Except for the last game he's not throwing the ball much. He has one of the best running backs in pro football lined up behind him with the defense keying on him. I'd say the team has won five games with Young being efficient.
Update: Against a strong team today and playing from behind Young had a QB efficiency of 77.8 which is mediocre. Chris Johnson had another big game with 113 yards.
The previous five teams Young was efficient against were 3-3, 3-4, 3-4, 5-4, and 7-3 but missing their All-Pro QB. In those same five games Chris Johnson ran for 657 yards and seven touchdowns. Johnson is carrying the offense and Young along for the ride. The biggest change on the Titans has been playing better defense.
To put Young in the same sentence with Rothleisberger and Brady is a HUUUUUUUUGE JOKE.
I too am sick of the publicity Tebow has gotten over the past three years. I root against him and his team, but I was impressed with his on field interview immediately after the game. He congratulated Alabama and gave them all the credit they deserved.
It seems to me that Urban Myers is building his teams the same way Miami did in the 80' & 90's. With less than model citizens. Wasn't that lineman the second player suspended this year for inappropriate behavior?
It seems to me that Urban Myers is building his teams the same way Miami did in the 80' & 90's. With less than model citizens. Wasn't that lineman the second player suspended this year for inappropriate behavior?
quote:Originally posted by RJM:Many people, like myself have had their fill of Tebow. It's more the media's fault than his. Every time Florida is on we get filled with Saint Tebow stories like we've never heard them before. Enough! Plus, I think Tebow knows exactly what he's doing with his scriptures on his eye black. It started as religious. I believe eventually it became using the media for promotion. He knows if he changes the scripture, all of us tv viewers are going to get a scripture reading of the day from the announcers and the Tim Tebow story again. Pardon my suspicioun, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's at the suggestion of his parents. And whether it's Tebow or any other athlete I could care less if the parents are in the stands and see a camera shot of them. Tebow can only fall to earth from where the media holds him in the stratisphere. Anyone remember Saint Steve Garvey?quote:I don't understand the negative comments made about Tim Tebow.
I just don't view Tebow with any cynical take. In my view the eyeblack with the scripture is probably inspirational to him as a player and I would think perhaps he's trying to motivate and inspire some of his teammates. I think he felt his role as a senior and the touted player meant he had a responsibilty to set examples.... for him that includes sharing his faith. Many players write things inside their caps, etc... as a way to remind themselves of a particular message. I see that in the same light. However, perhaps I'm naive.... wouldn't be the first time and won't be the last I'm sure. Time will give us the answer on Mr. Tebow.
quote:
Originally posted by TRhit:
---the look on his parents faces at games end had the look of someone watching millions of dollars evaporating right before their eyes
TR, I typically and usually agree with most things you post on here. You have a great mind on matters related to baseball. But on this statement of yours above, what the heck were you thinking?! Are you serious? You're a parent. Could it have entered your mind for a second as a parent yourself that maybe they were simply sad watching their son play in his biggest game as a Senior (less they had made it to the National 'ship) and were hurting for him? Call me weird, but that's what I thought.
quote:To put Young in the same sentence with Rothleisberger and Brady is a HUUUUUUUUGE JOKE. To put him in the same sentence as Rivers is extremely funny. If winning is important let's see a Young led team win a Super Bowl before we put him in the same sentence as Trent Dilfer.
What is even funnier is to put Rothleisberger in the same sentence as Brady. The Pitt's defense had more to do with the Pitt's success than Big Ben.
In their glory Big Ben was a good QB on a GREAT team years....this year they don't look so great.
Funny how much hate is generated against winners.
Tebow. Young. Same story. I guess it must be jealousy. Very sad we can't just celebrate accomplishment without denegrating it.
Tebow. Young. Same story. I guess it must be jealousy. Very sad we can't just celebrate accomplishment without denegrating it.
I dont hate Tebow. I just get tired of turning on a game hoping to watch a game and having to listen to the same stories over and over again. Great he is a missionary. Great he is a fine young man. Great he talks to school kids. Great he has a new scripture on his face tonight. Great he gave a speech and they bronzed it and put it on the locker room wall. Great he is a tremendous leader. How many times do we have to told this in the first quarter of the game?
Every single game UF plays its the same old stories over and over again. The same old scripted Tim Tebow celebration. I just want to watch the game and hear about all the players and hear them talk football. But the media feels the need to create heroes for us. I dont need to feel good about Tim Tebow to enjoy a college football game. I really dont need to hear about his missionary service. I think its great. But what does that have to do with the football game I am trying to watch? Enough please.
God Bless.
Every single game UF plays its the same old stories over and over again. The same old scripted Tim Tebow celebration. I just want to watch the game and hear about all the players and hear them talk football. But the media feels the need to create heroes for us. I dont need to feel good about Tim Tebow to enjoy a college football game. I really dont need to hear about his missionary service. I think its great. But what does that have to do with the football game I am trying to watch? Enough please.
God Bless.
CM,
I don't think that's his fault all the talk about what he does, though some think it's just PR stuff, how is anyone to know that and how can anyone not knowing him make that statement.
What I would like to know, is, how is writing scriptures on eye black any different than wearing a symbol around one's neck that shows their faith?
As far as the folks and the look on their faces, have you ever watched bb and they show the folks whose sons just got their first call up. I remember a Marlin game, they kept panning the father's reaction to a pitchers first call up, the kid was getting lit up, the dad had such a look on his face, you know he was hurting for his son, I doubt he was subtracting the dollars his son was going to lose.
I agree some of the stuff on Tebow has been over done but the type of remarks made here about the look on his parents face (and the reason stated) has no place here on the HSBBW. I don't care who said it, it's not appropriate. JMO.
I don't think that's his fault all the talk about what he does, though some think it's just PR stuff, how is anyone to know that and how can anyone not knowing him make that statement.
What I would like to know, is, how is writing scriptures on eye black any different than wearing a symbol around one's neck that shows their faith?
As far as the folks and the look on their faces, have you ever watched bb and they show the folks whose sons just got their first call up. I remember a Marlin game, they kept panning the father's reaction to a pitchers first call up, the kid was getting lit up, the dad had such a look on his face, you know he was hurting for his son, I doubt he was subtracting the dollars his son was going to lose.
I agree some of the stuff on Tebow has been over done but the type of remarks made here about the look on his parents face (and the reason stated) has no place here on the HSBBW. I don't care who said it, it's not appropriate. JMO.
Any QB that starts for one of the top programs in the country for 4 years will get over exposed. The same is true for McCoy at Texas. Personally, I never get tired of hearing even the same good stories about good kids like Tebow and McCoy. Did I cheer against McCoy last night against my Husker, yeah...a little. But these two kids are high quality kids that will do just as well with some adversity thrown their way. Maybe they are NFL QBs, probably not. IMO, these are two quality individuals that are having a positive impact on their teammates, fans and society. Hard to knock that.
It's all a matter of perspective. I, for one, could care less about the political opinions of anyone on this board. Yet some of you feel compelled to share them anyway.
quote:Originally posted by Coach_May:
I dont hate Tebow. I just get tired of turning on a game hoping to watch a game and having to listen to the same stories over and over again. Great he is a missionary. Great he is a fine young man. Great he talks to school kids. Great he has a new scripture on his face tonight. Great he gave a speech and they bronzed it and put it on the locker room wall. Great he is a tremendous leader. How many times do we have to told this in the first quarter of the game?
Every single game UF plays its the same old stories over and over again. The same old scripted Tim Tebow celebration. I just want to watch the game and hear about all the players and hear them talk football. But the media feels the need to create heroes for us. I dont need to feel good about Tim Tebow to enjoy a college football game. I really dont need to hear about his missionary service. I think its great. But what does that have to do with the football game I am trying to watch? Enough please.
God Bless.
Its all a matter of perspective MTH. I could care less if you dont want to know about the political opinions of anyone on this board. Yet you feel compelled to tell us you dont. lol
A lot of good threads are started here with good and fun intentions. Unfortunately after a while they seem to run their course and take a turn for the worse.
I think THIS thread is a prime example of that.
I think THIS thread is a prime example of that.
It is incomprehendable to me that anyoe would have ill feelings toward a kid like Tebow. Tales of the good deeds of a fine young man never get old to me.If honoring God with his eye black is some sort of gimmick...what is it? Bringing attention to God's glory and goodness? What a horrible thing that is. He spends his off season taking care of 3rd world children instead of robbing convenience stores and clubbing. Oh No! It may get old to some, but it continues to be encouraging to me. There is always room in our world for goodness.
I just don't understand what more this young man could have done in his 4 years at Fla. Yet, the naysayers seem to get off, almost hoping and praying that his life will spiral downward just so they can say, "I told you so". How pathetic. Maybe they're also part of the "Bryce Harper" won't make it crowd.
I don't hate winners. I'm tired of the adulation of a college player. And Vince Young has proved NOTHING as a pro quarterback.quote:Originally posted by Natural:
Funny how much hate is generated against winners.
Tebow. Young. Same story. I guess it must be jealousy. Very sad we can't just celebrate accomplishment without denegrating it.