philly fan
Thanx for the backup
It is nice to know that someone understands what this old man is saying
Another way of looking at it--- If I had not been at the game and then saw the box/line score the next day I would have no idea how well the boy pitched.
Case Closed
Phillyfan,
If you read my post you'll see I said, "Pretty much round" so I didn't have to read what you wrote.
I have given TR every opportunity to join many of us that recognize that numbers and statistics may have be revealing in some instances.
TR, do you agree?
If you read my post you'll see I said, "Pretty much round" so I didn't have to read what you wrote.
I have given TR every opportunity to join many of us that recognize that numbers and statistics may have be revealing in some instances.
TR, do you agree?
TR,
If you would have started your post by saying what you just wrote, “If I had not been at the game and then saw the box/line score the next day I would have no idea how well the boy pitched”.
That would have been hard to disagree with.
Instead you gave the example and wrote, “I went over to a local field watch a young man pitch last night and the end result was proof of why numbers and stats do not count”.
I simply disagreed with your statement, as have others. Good stats and numbers can be revealing in baseball if you understand statistics and you understand baseball.
If you would have started your post by saying what you just wrote, “If I had not been at the game and then saw the box/line score the next day I would have no idea how well the boy pitched”.
That would have been hard to disagree with.
Instead you gave the example and wrote, “I went over to a local field watch a young man pitch last night and the end result was proof of why numbers and stats do not count”.
I simply disagreed with your statement, as have others. Good stats and numbers can be revealing in baseball if you understand statistics and you understand baseball.
SBK
I wont argue with you--apparently you are far superior to me in expressing thoughts--- I have a problem in that I was raised in yu7our effoprs
You are rapidly reaching Teacherman stature in terms of condescending attitude--you are to be commended for your efforts to educate me and others
I wont argue with you--apparently you are far superior to me in expressing thoughts--- I have a problem in that I was raised in yu7our effoprs
You are rapidly reaching Teacherman stature in terms of condescending attitude--you are to be commended for your efforts to educate me and others
There are some stats that no matter how bad the kid scoring the game is, that should still be correct. Such as the pitchers strike outs and walks.
My son (o6) has 51 innings with 54 strike outs and 11 walks. These stats are nowhere. The catcher can't catch third strike foul tips and throws the ball into right field at least twice a game.
Maybe it is the Junior year pressure, but I wish that I knew for sure that none of the "stats" in the paper are read. However, if his correct stats were available, maybe more schools would take notice.
My son (o6) has 51 innings with 54 strike outs and 11 walks. These stats are nowhere. The catcher can't catch third strike foul tips and throws the ball into right field at least twice a game.
Maybe it is the Junior year pressure, but I wish that I knew for sure that none of the "stats" in the paper are read. However, if his correct stats were available, maybe more schools would take notice.
What are you hinting at is something called Defense Independent Pitching Stats (DIPS).
It was commonly though thought that guys like GReg Maddux made pitches in such a way that , even though you hit the ball, you had a low probability of getting a hit.
Thanks to inimitable Voros McCracken, this was proved to be untrue. Once a ball is put into play, it's pretty much a matter of luck as to whether or not it becomes a hit.
It was commonly though thought that guys like GReg Maddux made pitches in such a way that , even though you hit the ball, you had a low probability of getting a hit.
Thanks to inimitable Voros McCracken, this was proved to be untrue. Once a ball is put into play, it's pretty much a matter of luck as to whether or not it becomes a hit.
phillyfan
Is that what you tell your hitters---- "its pretty much a matter of luck as to whether or not it becomes a hit".
You are sure one heck of an inspirational coach.
Is that what you tell your hitters---- "its pretty much a matter of luck as to whether or not it becomes a hit".
You are sure one heck of an inspirational coach.
quote:I wont argue with you--apparently you are far superior to me in expressing thoughts--- I have a problem in that I was raised in yu7our effoprs
You are rapidly reaching Teacherman stature in terms of condescending attitude--you are to be commended for your efforts to educate me and others
TR, I know the best defense is offense but there's no need to argue or throw out accusations. I simply pointed out where you said one thing and a few posts later showed you where you contradicted yourself.
You made a bold statement by giving an example and then calling it proof that, "Numbers mean nothing". I disagree with your statement and I along with others have offered some why you might want to reconsider your position on this subject. You are free to intelligently defend your convictions.
That seems to be the normal way that discussion takes place. It also provides accountability so that people don’t just make things up. If for some reason, you are supposed to get a free pass, my apologies, I missed that memo.
Phillyfan,
From a statistics point of view, I would agree that getting a hit could be considered a lucky event. On the other hand, hitting the ball hard is skill.
Hitting a baseball might be one of the few sports where you can do everything you need to do to be successful but still end in a failure because of bad luck.
I recall that a line drive at the major league level ends up a hit something like 75% of the time and a hard grounder around 50%.
Here is a link that talks about it and backs up what phillyfan stated. Phillyfan, is this your source?
http://danagonistes.blogspot.com/2004/02/what-can-pitcher-control.html
From a statistics point of view, I would agree that getting a hit could be considered a lucky event. On the other hand, hitting the ball hard is skill.
Hitting a baseball might be one of the few sports where you can do everything you need to do to be successful but still end in a failure because of bad luck.
I recall that a line drive at the major league level ends up a hit something like 75% of the time and a hard grounder around 50%.
Here is a link that talks about it and backs up what phillyfan stated. Phillyfan, is this your source?
http://danagonistes.blogspot.com/2004/02/what-can-pitcher-control.html