why so few Scholarship $$ for bb?

When it comes to athletic department money, it's pretty much:

1. Football
2. Basketball
3. Title IX
4. Crumbs

A lot of what it comes down to is, can your program raise its own money from alumni or other donors?

I like the answer "BECAUSE". That is probably about as good of an answer that could be provided by the NCAA.

What I found to be the most interesting comment in the article and the one that most parents should take to heart is........

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“I dropped a good player because her dad was a jerk — all he ever talked to me about was scholarship money,” said Joanie Milhous, the field hockey coach at Villanova. “I don’t need that in my program. I recruit good, ethical parents as much as good, talented kids because, in the end, there’s a connection between the two.”

I don't care what some people on this site say about pushing coaches to "up" scholly amounts, IMHO........

If the kid likes the school, the academics, the athletics, the coach, all the other non-financial parts that make up the decision making process, and the scholly is "in the ballpark", sign on the dotted line. If the financials are the #1 issue go play at the option that fills your needs. Why send Junior into a situation where Mom/Dad has already stomped on the coaches toes and put the kid under the microscope of having to perform beyond initial expectations, or just pessed him off with repeated scholly talk.

.......as rz1 takes cover awaiting the incoming

After Penn, Villanova is "the" school academically and prestigiously relative to D1. Nova is very expensive. I'll bet the parent was pushing in "an all or nothing" mode because it probably would have been the situation for the kid, "All" or can't afford it. The money for college was probably spent on travel field hockey.

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Originally posted by rz1:
I like the answer "BECAUSE". That is probably about as good of an answer that could be provided by the NCAA.

What I found to be the most interesting comment in the article and the one that most parents should take to heart is........

quote:

“I dropped a good player because her dad was a jerk — all he ever talked to me about was scholarship money,” said Joanie Milhous, the field hockey coach at Villanova. “I don’t need that in my program. I recruit good, ethical parents as much as good, talented kids because, in the end, there’s a connection between the two.”

I don't care what some people on this site say about pushing coaches to "up" scholly amounts, IMHO........

If the kid likes the school, the academics, the athletics, the coach, all the other non-financial parts that make up the decision making process, and the scholly is "in the ballpark", sign on the dotted line. If the financials are the #1 issue go play at the option that fills your needs. Why send Junior into a situation where Mom/Dad has already stomped on the coaches toes and put the kid under the microscope of having to perform beyond initial expectations, or just pessed him off with repeated scholly talk.

.......as rz1 takes cover awaiting the incoming

I agree. I generally throw nickels around like manhole covers, but I felt the decision was my son's to make and we would make it work. We understood the scholly money was the equivelant to a Snickers Bar for the whole team being sliced into 5mm widths.

Isn't ULL under 20K a year for a non-resident? I'm not justifying the parent's behavior but Nova is over 45K a year.

College Baseball needs to be on TV. ESPN should drop Arene Football and show some college games! The emotion of the kids, and with aluminium bats the scoring is out of sight. Also, a routine play is not always that. College ball is MUCH more exciting than MLB.IMO If only the TV networks gave it a chance.

That was a very good report and spells out the reality of college scholarships for every team except football and basketball...

In the past a lot of Baseball scholarships were for BOOKS only, which costs a team $400 towards a full ride. (for some schools less than 1%) So the fact that you saw a name in a newspaper saying so & so is on baseball scholarhip to PRESTIGOUS U does not mean that parents are not paying a majority of it.


Now with new NCAA rules for Baseball, the envirnoment will be changing. Minimum amount will be 25%. So what does that mean? Its obvious the total number of baseball scholarships will decline, and all the little 0.1s are gone. IMHO the TOP end could be reduced also. With 27 scholarships maximum and they all must get a minimum of 25%, that uses up 6.75 scholarships leaving a total of 5 to divide up for amounts over 25%.

I can see a couple Top Ps maybe getting 80-90 and then SS and good Cs and top hitters getting 60-70% and a few other Ps getting in the 50% range
You'd like to think all Starters would get more than 25% and you never have enough pitching.

Here's my guess to where a typical team might fall out... and positions. Remember a coach can juggle these numbers, if perhaps he has a couple All-americans... they might get .1 or so more and a couple guys on bottom 25 instead of 30 or 35.

Pos. Scholly Over 25%
Fri P 90 .65 over
Sat P 80 .55 over
Sun P 75 .50 over

SS 70 .45
C 65 .40
Pwr
hitter. 60 .35
Closer 60 .35

MidW SP 50 .25
CF 50 .25
#2BIG hit 50 .25

RP 45 .2
Pos
Starter 45 .2

RP 40 .15
Pos
Starter 40 .15

RP 35 .10
Pos
Starter 35 .10

2 others 30 .10

Rest get 25%

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Originally posted by RJM:
Isn't ULL under 20K a year for a non-resident? I'm not justifying the parent's behavior but Nova is over 45K a year.

I don't think it's about $, rather the thought of Mom/Dad sticking their nose into, and attempting to overstep the offer a coach makes. In a non-revenue sport I look at schollys as a "gift" and why chew on the hand that wants to feed you.

With that said I can see an offer being made and the parent asking if that is the final offer. Maybe a discussion will follow that identifies an out-of-state issue, maybe not. But I feel that is as far as the scholly discussion should go. When you start sniffling about 5-10% you are showing that you may be spelling team with an "i", and that could really turn a coach off.

SDBB- Very interesting breakdown.

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Originally posted by RJM:
Isn't ULL under 20K a year for a non-resident? I'm not justifying the parent's behavior but Nova is over 45K a year.

ULL is not an expensive school at about $8000 in-state and $15,000 out of state. rz got my poorly communicated point. ULL was actually the least expensive state or private school recruiting jr., but wherever he felt he needed to go, we would have made that work. Money was not considered in his decision. If it was, then he would be at the Naval Academy, which is gratis. He had zero idea what any school cost, what was our part or scholly dollars, until he committed.

When the offers were made, near the end of the process, simple polite inquiries were made as to their finality. They were all final offers, which was fine and nobody was insulted or turned off (perhaps except the unsuccessful recruiters). There is a difference between "checking to see" if there is anything else available and beating up the coach for the very last dollar.