I am new to this site and had a qustion. My son is a freshman pitcher at a D3 school in NC. He would like to come home during the summer and home is in Norfolk, VA. The Peninsula Pilots in the CPL are the closest team to us. My son has emailed them with no reply. Does anyone have another contact for this team? He is a 5'10"/190 lbs pitcher throwing in low 80's that wants to rack some innings in the summer since he will not be pitching much as a freshman to stay sharp.
The CPL is a ptretty good league. May be tough to get them to go with a young, unproven D-3 guy in the low 80's. I would maybe look at some of the other leagues close to you (possibly SCBL). You could also try calling their front office on the website. Those teams lose guys to the draft alot as well, so don't get discouraged if nothing happens right away, you can always contact them right before the season because guys always get hurt or decide not to come for whatever reason.
Get your son's coach to call them.
Their roster is posted and they have players from all divisions including a CC. Most summer teams have turnover at the beginning of the season with injuries and players who quit. I know that SLC usually get their players as recommended by coaches. Many never see the field as freshmen at their college. College coaches esnd some players to get bats and innings in. I have also moticed that very few return to the team they played for the year before. Not sure why.
Their roster is posted and they have players from all divisions including a CC. Most summer teams have turnover at the beginning of the season with injuries and players who quit. I know that SLC usually get their players as recommended by coaches. Many never see the field as freshmen at their college. College coaches esnd some players to get bats and innings in. I have also moticed that very few return to the team they played for the year before. Not sure why.
Another question-
My son's(freshman)college(D1)lost their coach that in the past has been placing players. It has not been announced yet what coach will be taking on the duty. In the past they have not placed a great many players.
My question is will the summer teams consider son if he makes contact himself with some that he has heard good things on or will they not give the time because his coach isnt making first contact.
Do you think his college coach might be upset for him taking the lead?
My son's(freshman)college(D1)lost their coach that in the past has been placing players. It has not been announced yet what coach will be taking on the duty. In the past they have not placed a great many players.
My question is will the summer teams consider son if he makes contact himself with some that he has heard good things on or will they not give the time because his coach isnt making first contact.
Do you think his college coach might be upset for him taking the lead?
I would wait and see who takes over as coach. Also check the teams your old coach placed players on. You may consider talking to them under the circumstances. There are a few coaches who don't place players on summer teams. There have been attempts in the past to recruit players at those leagues. I know of 1 coach who actually told plyers to keep an eye out for a good pickup.
Would it be safe to assume that waiting will limit where he can be placed since rosters are being posted now? Why would coaches not want to place as many players as possible for additional experience? Is there a certain logic behind it? There isnt a strong push for summer classes at this school.
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Would it be safe to assume that waiting will limit where he can be placed since rosters are being posted now? Why would coaches not want to place as many players as possible for additional experience? Is there a certain logic behind it? There isnt a strong push for summer classes at this school.
Yes you can have your opportunities limited by waiting, but at the same time you might end up with an opportunity in a really good league ny waiting. The better player, the better chance of getting into a good league at the last minute. Every team my son has played on needed last minute players. Another problem with this approach is that you might end up with a coach you don't care for.
Some coaches may not push real hard on a player placement if they aren't sure if the player will pan out. My son had this happen to him and he to find his own summer team his freshman year.
I agree that waiting can limit opportunities especially if you are not a pitcher. Many spots are available well into spring and several players back out at the last min. Injuries during the spring and players who leave after a week or 2 . My son's got talked into replacing his teammate who was injured. The coach talked him into it because the coach had promised 4 players to the summer team. Some of the players left because they weren't happy with their situation.
Don't forget it costs money to play for these teams and I was told that a few players changed their minds about paying. It was around $400. Some teams were close to $1500 by the time you paid transportation. The 1 Flordia team charged about $1000. I had heard varying reports on the value of that team.
Also remember that when you sign with a team they hold you to it and could even sue if you don't show up.
Don't forget it costs money to play for these teams and I was told that a few players changed their minds about paying. It was around $400. Some teams were close to $1500 by the time you paid transportation. The 1 Flordia team charged about $1000. I had heard varying reports on the value of that team.
Also remember that when you sign with a team they hold you to it and could even sue if you don't show up.
The only time they will go after you is if you do not honor your contract and play with another league.
My son signed and decided not to play, there are no penalties for taking the summer off.
Waiting is not a bad thing, some players get to fill in for those that are in deep post season and get full spots later on.
If a coach hasn't placed a player in a league it is usually for a reason, sometimes he just doesn't know where the player will be most successful if he hasn't played for him, sometimes it's just placing the older kids first.
My son signed and decided not to play, there are no penalties for taking the summer off.
Waiting is not a bad thing, some players get to fill in for those that are in deep post season and get full spots later on.
If a coach hasn't placed a player in a league it is usually for a reason, sometimes he just doesn't know where the player will be most successful if he hasn't played for him, sometimes it's just placing the older kids first.
Nice point about the fees, BHD. I had forgotten to mention that. In the SCBL fees can be minimal...or they can easily approach the $1500 once you add transportation and apt cost...as many teams do NOT have host families. A lower tier league will generally not have the sponsorship $$...and it may be interesting to see if some of the mid-to upper tier leagues will have to start charging a nominal fee as sponsorship dollars dry up.
Does the SCBL or CVSL have family contracts as well? Or does a player has to figure out on his own where he will be staying?
Costal Plains League provided a host family for my son and there were no fees (that was 2 summers ago). He had free access to a gym too.
Last summer at the Cape Cod League he had a host family but had to pay weekly. He also had to pay to join a gym.
Last summer at the Cape Cod League he had a host family but had to pay weekly. He also had to pay to join a gym.
quote:Originally posted by Hoovmom15:
Costal Plains League provided a host family for my son and there were no fees (that was 2 summers ago). He had free access to a gym too.
Last summer at the Cape Cod League he had a host family but had to pay weekly. He also had to pay to join a gym.
Good point Hoovmom. My son loved the CPL and his team Columbia so much as a sophmore, he eagerly looked forward to going back there last year as a junior. They run that league first class and treat their players well. The competition was also excellent. He has played against Team Japan and Team USA during his time there. Some of the best pitchers were D1, D2 or juco players who could easily throw in the 90's. 90 mph and above were common in that league.
There were no fees or charges associated with the Columbia team in the CPL. I suspect this was the arrangement with all the teams in that league but I am not 100% certain. Meals were provided after every game - home and away. At home games, meals were provided before the game in the club house. At away games, they would stop at a resteraunt and the team would pick up the tab.
So nobody accuses me of sour grapes, of course he would have liked a chance to play in the Cape but that was not in the cards.
Paying the host family is up to the host family. Players are placed with hosts or are put in hotels in groups.
The costs are team fees and they range from approx $400 to $1500. Also costs are associated with getting to the team. Hawaii was around $1000 return. Florida instructional league was a team cost of approx $1000. Other real costs had to do with lost wages over the summer.
The costs are team fees and they range from approx $400 to $1500. Also costs are associated with getting to the team. Hawaii was around $1000 return. Florida instructional league was a team cost of approx $1000. Other real costs had to do with lost wages over the summer.
I am not sure how many teams/leagues charge but many do not.
Ours played with two different teams in the NECBL. He was provided housing with a host family in Newport and lived in the UMass Lowell dorm with Mill City(they now have host families also.) Each team provided travel reimbursement one way.
In Newport and Lowell, meals were provided for away games. In Newport, many of the meals were provided for home games, without charge to the players.
The players were also provided camps and clinics so they could make money during the Summer.
Ours played with two different teams in the NECBL. He was provided housing with a host family in Newport and lived in the UMass Lowell dorm with Mill City(they now have host families also.) Each team provided travel reimbursement one way.
In Newport and Lowell, meals were provided for away games. In Newport, many of the meals were provided for home games, without charge to the players.
The players were also provided camps and clinics so they could make money during the Summer.
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Does the SCBL or CVSL have family contracts as well? Or does a player has to figure out on his own where he will be staying?
Each team in those leagues run it differently. Some may have families...others may house them in apartments...with varying costs. In the SCBL I have heard ranges from $250 for the summer up to about $750.
I think the costs are important for many families. My son's host family never charged any money and allowed things that the rules of the laegue didn't allow. They even allowed his girl friend to stay over for a few days. They were great people and they visted my son last year at college.
My son couldn't work off campus until this year so the job they promised didn't happen. He was an hour from the ball part and 20 min by car from any gym and entertainment facilities. He had to rely on others to pick him up.
So I think you have to judje the circumstances and the individual. He was and is in love for the 1st time in his life having devoted all his energies to BB all year long for many years. Isn't this what is most important and what all parents want to see their sons achieve.
My son couldn't work off campus until this year so the job they promised didn't happen. He was an hour from the ball part and 20 min by car from any gym and entertainment facilities. He had to rely on others to pick him up.
So I think you have to judje the circumstances and the individual. He was and is in love for the 1st time in his life having devoted all his energies to BB all year long for many years. Isn't this what is most important and what all parents want to see their sons achieve.
quote:Isn't this what is most important and what all parents want to see their sons achieve.
Yes, I agree. Parents want to see their kids happy with the choices they make.
My take has always been a little different on this site and I am not referring to your circumstances BHD. Some say the most important thing is academics, or the most important thing is location, or the most important thing the conference you play in, or the most important thing is contentment, etc. etc. I have always contended the most important thing is baseball and unashamedly so. I have used the example that my son would play on a North Dakota Indian Reservation if that was his only post-high school opportunity. This is a baseball site and thus that to me seems a proper focus. Obviously, everyone's career comes to an end sooner or later. In my son's case, I suspect he'll make his career in baseball (scouting, coaching, managing, adminsitrative, etc, etc) regardless of when his playing career ends. He loves it that much and I support him. To each his own indeed.
Agreed, you come from a totally different perspective than I do. My son went to college for the total experience and not specifically for BB. Not even for just academics since he probably will go to grad school and might have to come home to do it. He is trying to stay in SC but he may have to come home. I have asked him if he still loves BB and he says he does so I will keep my fingers crossed. I just put him on a flight out of Buffalo at 6 am. He and his girl friends parents are heading to Washinton for the night and then on to NY NY for new years eve.
quote:Originally posted by ClevelandDad:quote:Isn't this what is most important and what all parents want to see their sons achieve.
Yes, I agree. Parents want to see their kids happy with the choices they make.
My take has always been a little different on this site and I am not referring to your circumstances BHD. Some say the most important thing is academics, or the most important thing is location, or the most important thing the conference you play in, or the most important thing is contentment, etc. etc. I have always contended the most important thing is baseball and unashamedly so. I have used the example that my son would play on a North Dakota Indian Reservation if that was his only post-high school opportunity. This is a baseball site and thus that to me seems a proper focus. Obviously, everyone's career comes to an end sooner or later. In my son's case, I suspect he'll make his career in baseball (scouting, coaching, managing, adminsitrative, etc, etc) regardless of when his playing career ends. He loves it that much and I support him. To each his own indeed.
WHAT HE SAID!!!
Our son could have gone to school for FREE where I work...but the former coach saw fit to not even offer him a chance to walk on. Anyhow...our son wanted the opportunity to play college ball SOMEWHERE...and baseball has always been his dream and we always found ways to support that dream. Thus...why should college...or paying a summer team fee and probably a too high rent last summer be any different!