Anybody have any tips for me? Help will be appreciated. I've been throwing pretty well as of late, just want to address any kinks in delivery.
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You wont maximize power the way your lower body is working now. Your capable of using your hips much better (and sooner), along with using your leg kick to your advantage. Right now your leg kick goes up, straight down, and then forward like a slide step. There are a few other things I would like to see, but can you post anything in real time? Its tough to gauge some of the timing and fluidity in slo mo.
The hips have to do a better job of rotating ahead of the shoulders. They are going first, but it appears that they are just along for the ride instead of leading the way. Your chest and shoulers appear to be putting in all the effort.
Painguy, please post that pic of Lincecum's hips ahead of the shoulders...(please not fossum, that pic is so tired.)
Painguy, please post that pic of Lincecum's hips ahead of the shoulders...(please not fossum, that pic is so tired.)
quote:Originally posted by leboguy:
Anybody have any tips for me? Help will be appreciated. I've been throwing pretty well as of late, just want to address any kinks in delivery.
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Go to pitchingclips.com and look at video of pitchers you like and see how they do it, find one close to your son's delivery and try to immulate that one. JMO
quote:Originally posted by deemax:
Painguy, please post that pic of Lincecum's hips ahead of the shoulders
Notice how his hips are open (belt buckle facing home) while his shoulders are closed.
quote:Originally posted by deemax:
Right now your leg kick goes up, straight down, and then forward like a slide step.
Absolutely nothing wrong with the foot going down and out during the stride. Looks good. It isn't necessary to "step over a fence" to generate power with the lower body.
I would recommend that the elbows be relaxed and closer to the ribs until break, with the break beginning by turning the thumbs down. And I would teach using an arm circle to reach the "L" position.
But there are many good things in the delivery.
quote:Originally posted by Texan:quote:Originally posted by deemax:
Right now your leg kick goes up, straight down, and then forward like a slide step.
Absolutely nothing wrong with the foot going down and out during the stride. Looks good. It isn't necessary to "step over a fence" to generate power with the lower body.
I would recommend that the elbows be relaxed and closer to the ribs until break, with the break beginning by turning the thumbs down. And I would teach using an arm circle to reach the "L" position.
But there are many good things in the delivery.
I agree with Texan!
quote:Originally posted by leboguy:
Anybody have any tips for me? Help will be appreciated. I've been throwing pretty well as of late, just want to address any kinks in delivery.
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As others have said, you throw too much with your arm and not enough with your entire body.
Also, after you break your hands your Pitching Arm Side hand goes behind your back toward 1B rather than toward 2B.
tex
I agree. Only problem is his leg is going down and out before his hips....not good.
Texan, who said anything about stepping over a fence. When the knee pump goes up and starts to come down the hips need to be moving toward the catcher (Mo Rivera does this great, but Tim Lincecum may do it the best of all). This young man does not start moving his hips toward the catcher until his front leg comes almost all the way down. This has the power of a slide step and is a very weak move. IMO this kid is capable of getting much more out of his delivery.
quote:Absolutely nothing wrong with the foot going down and out during the stride.
I agree. Only problem is his leg is going down and out before his hips....not good.
quote:Looks good. It isn't necessary to "step over a fence" to generate power with the lower body
Texan, who said anything about stepping over a fence. When the knee pump goes up and starts to come down the hips need to be moving toward the catcher (Mo Rivera does this great, but Tim Lincecum may do it the best of all). This young man does not start moving his hips toward the catcher until his front leg comes almost all the way down. This has the power of a slide step and is a very weak move. IMO this kid is capable of getting much more out of his delivery.
quote:Originally posted by deemax:
texquote:Absolutely nothing wrong with the foot going down and out during the stride.
I agree. Only problem is his leg is going down and out before his hips....not good.quote:Looks good. It isn't necessary to "step over a fence" to generate power with the lower body
Texan, who said anything about stepping over a fence. When the knee pump goes up and starts to come down the hips need to be moving toward the catcher (Mo Rivera does this great, but Tim Lincecum may do it the best of all). This young man does not start moving his hips toward the catcher until his front leg comes almost all the way down. This has the power of a slide step and is a very weak move. IMO this kid is capable of getting much more out of his delivery.
As you bend your back knee and drop your center of gravity, do the hip and leg both not go to the catcher naturally as you step to the catcher? All you would need to do then is open your hips and roll your ankles, correct? Maybe I am seeing this differently, but I think the momentum Lincecum puts into his front leg reach is why he gets so far off the rubber and is why he has to "step over a fence" just to get his foot down in time.
quote:Originally posted by leboguy:
Anybody have any tips for me? Help will be appreciated. I've been throwing pretty well as of late, just want to address any kinks in delivery.
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What grade are you in and have you been clocked? I believe if you will keep your glove arm bent and your glove pointing at 3rd base longer (right as you start to turn your foot over) you will add some velocity.
quote:Originally posted by micmeister:
As you bend your back knee and drop your center of gravity, do the hip and leg both not go to the catcher naturally as you step to the catcher? All you would need to do then is open your hips and roll your ankles, correct? Maybe I am seeing this differently, but I think the momentum Lincecum puts into his front leg reach is why he gets so far off the rubber and is why he has to "step over a fence" just to get his foot down in time.
Lincecum leads with his front hip well into his stride before his stride foot gets out front. The OP leads with his foot right from the get-go which tends to open the hips up sooner and more slowly (i.e.e less explosively).
BTW, nothing wrong with a down-and-out leg motion if it's done at the right time. But the OP does it all before any forward motion has started. So he's not using the lower half to generate as much momentum as he could.
chris -
note in your first still of Lincecum, the back arm and front leg have externally rotated.
the lead arm is still up,the lead arm is still internally rotated. the lead wrist is very flexed.the head has come forward some.
keeping the lead arm well internally rotated often involves this max flex of the wrist, very similar to how you "show the front sole" of the stride leg when you are keeping it internally roated before the synched external rotation of back arm and front leg.
as his motion pro-ceeds note how he is getting the back arched and the chest thrust out (which on the backside is pinching the scaps)
note in your first still of Lincecum, the back arm and front leg have externally rotated.
the lead arm is still up,the lead arm is still internally rotated. the lead wrist is very flexed.the head has come forward some.
keeping the lead arm well internally rotated often involves this max flex of the wrist, very similar to how you "show the front sole" of the stride leg when you are keeping it internally roated before the synched external rotation of back arm and front leg.
as his motion pro-ceeds note how he is getting the back arched and the chest thrust out (which on the backside is pinching the scaps)
I agree. Only problem is his leg is going down and out before his hips....not good.
This young man does not start moving his hips toward the catcher until his front leg comes almost all the way down. This has the power of a slide step and is a very weak move. IMO this kid is capable of getting much more out of his delivery.[/QUOTE]
You mean like this guy?
http://www.pitchingclips.com/players/anthony_reyes.htm
This young man does not start moving his hips toward the catcher until his front leg comes almost all the way down. This has the power of a slide step and is a very weak move. IMO this kid is capable of getting much more out of his delivery.[/QUOTE]
You mean like this guy?
http://www.pitchingclips.com/players/anthony_reyes.htm
mic
Yes, this kids lower half works similar to Anthony Reyes, and Reyes lower half also works poorly. He is not a model to emulate. If you want to teach the Reyes delivery by all means, go ahead. Just realize your not doing any favors for the kids your teaching by doing so.
Anthony Reyes is 0-10 with a 6.40 era. He might be the worst starting pitcher in baseball. If any MLB pitcher needed to go back to the drawing board and look for flaws and weak points in their delivery its him.... IMO.
I will give Reyes kudos for coming back from blowing his arm up as 20 or 21 year old and fighting his way to the big leagues. I dont know him but I would bet he has a set of stones.
Chris, I know hes an M-scap'er....
quote:You mean like this guy?
Yes, this kids lower half works similar to Anthony Reyes, and Reyes lower half also works poorly. He is not a model to emulate. If you want to teach the Reyes delivery by all means, go ahead. Just realize your not doing any favors for the kids your teaching by doing so.
Anthony Reyes is 0-10 with a 6.40 era. He might be the worst starting pitcher in baseball. If any MLB pitcher needed to go back to the drawing board and look for flaws and weak points in their delivery its him.... IMO.
I will give Reyes kudos for coming back from blowing his arm up as 20 or 21 year old and fighting his way to the big leagues. I dont know him but I would bet he has a set of stones.
Chris, I know hes an M-scap'er....
quote:Originally posted by leboguy:
Anybody have any tips for me? Help will be appreciated. I've been throwing pretty well as of late, just want to address any kinks in delivery.
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Lebo,
I think you are capable of having a more powerful delivery from the chest down....What do you think?
Good luck with your summer season and upcoming hs year.
quote:Originally posted by deemax:
micquote:You mean like this guy?
Yes, this kids lower half works similar to Anthony Reyes, and Reyes lower half also works poorly. He is not a model to emulate. If you want to teach the Reyes delivery by all means, go ahead. Just realize your not doing any favors for the kids your teaching by doing so.
Anthony Reyes is 0-10 with a 6.40 era. He might be the worst starting pitcher in baseball. If any MLB pitcher needed to go back to the drawing board and look for flaws and weak points in their delivery its him.... IMO.
I will give Reyes kudos for coming back from blowing his arm up as 20 or 21 year old and fighting his way to the big leagues. I dont know him but I would bet he has a set of stones.
Chris, I know hes an M-scap'er....
Thank you deemax! An informative answer with no cutting remarks!
