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WWBA Underclass World Championship

redbird5redbird510,000+ posts
Great tourney in Fort Myers this weekend with 7 teams from VA participating:

EvoShield Canes 2015's
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EvoShield Canes Prospects
NVTBL Stars - Gold
NVTBL Stars - White
Richmond Braves American
Richmond Braves National

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mathews41mathews41100+ posts
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Originally posted by PIS:
Good luck to all the teams playing! Represent VA!

For the last few years I've been dreaming about how wonderful it would be to send 1 roster of the best of the best! Put VA on their chest instead of Canes, Stars, Braves, RBA, Drillers, Cardinals, etc.

Rich
PlayInSchool.com


Not sure how well that would turn out. Teams have been doing just that (sending a roster of the best of the best) from just within their own organization (for several years) and that formula has not always worked either.

Does not build cohesion or team unity. JMO.
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Midlo DadMidlo Dad10,000+ posts
It's a terrific tourney which I got to enjoy a couple of times.

From the standpoint of a team, however, it's just so terribly expensive to go, when you're likely to play only 4 games. Hard to justify when the same amount of money can buy you several opportunities.

I think it's easier to take a mashed-together team, if you basically throw the opportunity out there and then take the squad made up of those willing to pay for it. But you're talking about either a long drive or air fare to Ft. Myers, plus the tourney fee and hotel costs. Easy to spend well north of 10k on this one weekend.

That's why teams from Florida make up a huge portion of the tourney field.
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P PGStaff10,000+ posts
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That's why teams from Florida make up a huge portion of the tourney field.

Actually that is true even in Georgia tournaments we hold. There are a lot of good teams in Florida.

This one we are talking about in Ft Myers has 113 teams from states other than Florida. More than 2/3 of all the teams are from outside Florida. It has grown into a very large scouting attraction.
PISPIS1,000+ posts
AC Games are great.

But I really meant one of the big national events.

Biggest issue would be the big name state teams that compete well at these events would never give up their top guys for this to happen. Any one of the 7 teams listed up at the top of the page could make a good run at the title right now.

How fun would it be to make Team Virginia and have an absolute power house!

I hate saying this because it makes me feel old... But here goes "when I was a kid"... AAU was just gaining steam. My first year participating there was exactly 1 team representing the state of Virginia. We had a try out. We had a few practices. Then went out and competed against all of the established national powerhouses (Chet Lemon's Juice, etc). We only brought home the Bronze that year but it was fun.

I'm sort of taking this thread in an entirely different direction now, but I bet there are 5,000 "travel" teams at the 12u level now.

And, I'd agree with Midlo that a "quick" trip to Ft Myers could cost $10,000 for a team easy. Lets say 6 rooms at $200 for 4 nights and you are over $5,000 w/ tax before you've left home. Add transportation, meals, etc. If just a few parents travel too, the organization will drop $10,000 just on hotels (13 rooms x $200 x 4 nights = $10,400).

No pressure guys, but you better play well!

Rich
PlayInSchool.com
PISPIS1,000+ posts
I want to add that this is why the TOP of the TOP go to events like this. Not the middle of the road or lower.

Ft. Myers will be an absolute talent rich location this weekend!

And I'm sincere when I say Good Luck to the 7 squads repping Va! Bring home some hardware.

Wish I was there!

Rich
PlayInSchool.com
keewartkeewart10,000+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by PIS:

How fun would it be to make Team Virginia and have an absolute power house!



In the summer of 2011 there was a "Team Virginia" as part of the NTIS (USA Baseball) that played in the Regional NTIS. You tried out for the team as part of the NTIS process. Keewartson's age group won all their games and only gave up 2 runs. The players are now scattered in the Canes, Cardinals, and Braves...but boy, if you could put them together again, they would do well.

But I agree, no one wants to give up their top players to form one team.
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D dblemup100+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by PIS:
AC Games are great.

But I really meant one of the big national events.

Biggest issue would be the big name state teams that compete well at these events would never give up their top guys for this to happen. Any one of the 7 teams listed up at the top of the page could make a good run at the title right now.

How fun would it be to make Team Virginia and have an absolute power house!

I hate saying this because it makes me feel old... But here goes "when I was a kid"... AAU was just gaining steam. My first year participating there was exactly 1 team representing the state of Virginia. We had a try out. We had a few practices. Then went out and competed against all of the established national powerhouses (Chet Lemon's Juice, etc). We only brought home the Bronze that year but it was fun.

I'm sort of taking this thread in an entirely different direction now, but I bet there are 5,000 "travel" teams at the 12u level now.

And, I'd agree with Midlo that a "quick" trip to Ft Myers could cost $10,000 for a team easy. Lets say 6 rooms at $200 for 4 nights and you are over $5,000 w/ tax before you've left home. Add transportation, meals, etc. If just a few parents travel too, the organization will drop $10,000 just on hotels (13 rooms x $200 x 4 nights = $10,400).

No pressure guys, but you better play well!

Rich
PlayInSchool.com


Area Code isnt a big national event?
D dblemup100+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by PIS:
Remind me how many teams play at AC. I've never been.

I didn't say AC isn't important. Or heavily scouted.

Rich
PlayInSchool.com


It isnt the amount of teams. It is the amount of talent on the teams. It is also as heavily scouted as any event I have been to. And yes, I have been to Ft. Myers, Jupiter and East Cobb. I was just saying that I would consider it a national event.
Midlo DadMidlo Dad10,000+ posts
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Midlo,

Do you mean the expense for the whole team?

PG,

Yes.

The Virginia Cardinals are a sponsored team, so we would be paying the entry fee, the costs of transporting the team there and back, and the hotel bill. 10k would be if we flew down. If we drove, we could cut that down maybe to the 5-6k range, but at 15 hours each way hauling a vanload of teenagers I don't know if I could survive it!

I'm not even including the costs that would be incurred by any team parents who might come down to be spectators, nor the cost of restaurant food daily.

It's a lot easier to do this if your team operates on the more standard model where each family commits to paying whatever the season schedule requires them to pay, or if you are ready to use substitute players whenever someone opts out on you. But we don't run that way.

When we go to East Cobb, it's a somewhat easier drive (roughly 8 hours each way), but I think our total expense for that week is still around $9,000 for the team.

As I said, I have always loved this event (and Jupiter, too), and as you know I have many fond memories of my and Midlo Son's experiences at them. I'm glad that I was in a position to send my own son, but it's a tough one to handle when you start planning an annual budget for a team.

We also factor in that we have 13 2014's on our fall roster, and 5 of them are already committed. Those 5 are the same guys who would have drawn the most interest from the national caliber programs who more actively scout in Ft. Myers. So while there's a big part of me that would love to just go to all these premier events, when you get down to brass tacks it's hard to justify the total outlay involved.
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B BBALLFAN20121,000+ posts
NVTBL white is in the top eight - playing tomorrow morning. Gold lost in the 32-team round and had a great tournament.

The stars won in nine innings today after Andrew Page (PVI?) bunted Michael smith (south county) in for the winning run.

I believe they are the last Virginia team remaining. They are a good mix of nova players - from private, Fairfax and PW county schools. Good luck to them on Monday!
R rainoutsux100+ posts
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Originally posted by Midlo Dad:
Congrats to our Cardinals 2014 RHP Derek Casey, on loan to the Evoshield Canes Baseball team, who peaked at 93 mph in his outing on Friday. Unfortunately Derek also took a hard luck loss in that game, but we hope to see Derek's stock continue its rapid rise with this documentation of his capabilities.


Call me crazy but if a 15/16 year old touches 93, I think there won't be a need for too many additional
showcases for word to get around. lol
Midlo DadMidlo Dad10,000+ posts
Derek is not a serial showcaser by any means. He attended only one showcase this year, PG's Junior National in June. He doesn't NEED to go to PG National next June, but I sure hope he does because it's too much fun to miss.

Other than that, he has pitched at tourneys in order to compete and to continue to grow as a pitcher. But his workload has been very light, lots of rest, short outings. In fact I think his outing last Friday was his longest since spring HS play.

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