You make the call

Unless the runner intentionally kicked the pitcher's glove in an attempt to dislodge the ball, he's safe.

Of course there was contact "foot to glove". The pitcher was trying to tag the runner.

"Failure to slide" in and of itself, is never a cause for an out in FED, OBR, NCAA, NAIA.

So walk me thru this. It's ok to jar the ball out without sliding?
Unless it's malicious? So now the call bears on if the ump feels the contact is malicious or not?

Tell me (fed) what the proper mindset for umps and coaches should be. Thanks

Basically, get down (slide legally), go around or give up. You can't go wrong.

If the F1 is late getting there why would the runner slide. If he doesn't intentionally try to knock the ball loose then he is fine. If the F1 is there already then he certainly has to slide, give up or attempt to avoid. If the fielder isn't there yet then there s nothing to avoid.

Well stated. Thank you.

There is always contact on a tag play. There has to be to have the tag applied.

Unless intentional to attempt to dislodge the ball, then there was nothing to call but safe if he touched HP before being tagged.

If he was called out by judgment of the tag being applied before the touch, then the runner is out. But, if it was after the touch and nothing malicious or intentional to cause the ball to come loose, then the "avoid contact" rule does not apply.

This is one of those rules where new umpires have to be explained and shown it under controlled conditions. Showing the different kinds of ways contact can occur and what may be acceptable and what isn't. Then, they can adjust from there as they see the plays happen.

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Originally posted by Mr Umpire:
This is one of those rules where new umpires have to be explained and shown it under controlled conditions. Showing the different kinds of ways contact can occur and what may be acceptable and what isn't. Then, they can adjust from there as they see the plays happen.

Remind me to tell you all a story about my local league's "must slide" rule and the argument I had last year with our umpire instructor. It's downright stupid what he said.

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Originally posted by yawetag:
Remind me to tell you all a story about my local league's "must slide" rule and the argument I had last year with our umpire instructor. It's downright stupid what he said.

please dont tell me he said you can call out a runner at home for not sliding even without a play on him......

BECAUSE.....

I got a call from a league officer a few summers ago when his kid was called out for not sliding at home even when he was not even being played upon......seems a defensive coach convinced an young umpire that the rule was MUST slide.....at all times.....

wow...