I watched the videos. I guess the OP and I have significantly different definitions of dominating a high school game. A batter didn't swing at his lollipops. At the plate he hit a ball all the way to a base and it bounced off it. Against just mediocre competition the results would have been very different.
Stats4Gnats posted:cabbagedad posted:
Congratulations Stats. You've just reached 5,000 posts where you have managed to state this same point - Point #2 of your 5-point agenda.
As you are very aware, we coaches here fully appreciate your constant reminder of our ineptitude.
That’s where you and so many others make your biggest mistake. I don’t believe coaches are inept at all! I believe they’re human, and humans have been proven over and over to not have the best memories, and allow biases to cloud their perceptions.
If you want to continue to believe by some miracle when a person becomes a coach they suddenly acquire the ability to remember with precision every single thing that every player did, and keep it in context with the situation and all the other players, go ahead and keep kidding yourself.
5,001...
... and about the same number of mis-quotes and twisting of people's words.
"If you want to continue to believe by some miracle when a person becomes a coach they suddenly acquire the ability to remember with precision every single thing that every player did, and keep it in context with the situation and all the other players, go ahead and keep kidding yourself"
Why yes, Stats, that's exactly what I said... never remotely close to anyone, ever. 
4seamer posted:2020dad posted:Sounds a bit like a hoax. .. So why does nobody seem to know this kid?
Really?? I came all the way here to post a hoax? Puh-lease.
A couple of their family vids from the game:
http://goo.gl/jPmkUl
http://goo.gl/jxqQILThe kid's no phenom (although he did make a couple of phenominal plays at second, but I didn't mention that earlier). Just ballsy. Had a good game. Simple as that.
FoxDad posted:In Virginia, according to VHSL rules, an 11 year old wouldn't even be allowed on the field for Varsity nor JV. Preseason game or not.
Even 8th graders can't play on Varsity. If no MS team, then 8th graders can play JV.
Le's see how this kid does against a well coached talented varsity. I'm sure they'll light him up sooner or later.
In Fairfax County, VA, 8th graders not permitted to play HS ball.
joemktg posted:FoxDad posted:In Virginia, according to VHSL rules, an 11 year old wouldn't even be allowed on the field for Varsity nor JV. Preseason game or not.
Even 8th graders can't play on Varsity. If no MS team, then 8th graders can play JV.
Le's see how this kid does against a well coached talented varsity. I'm sure they'll light him up sooner or later.
In Fairfax County, VA, 8th graders not permitted to play HS ball.
They can't in Florida either as far as I know, but the season hasn't started and the OP is sketch about what type of game it was (scrimmage or tournament).
cabbagedad posted:
5,001...
... and about the same number of mis-quotes and twisting of people's words.
How is taking exactly what someone says a misquote or twisting the meaning?
Why yes, Stats, that's exactly what I said... never remotely close to anyone, ever.
I’ve never once said coaches were inept, but you twisted my words to say that I have. So exactly what did you mean? How did you go from my saying memory and perceptions are not the best way to judge player performance, to me saying coaches are inept?
TPM posted:joemktg posted:FoxDad posted:In Virginia, according to VHSL rules, an 11 year old wouldn't even be allowed on the field for Varsity nor JV. Preseason game or not.
Even 8th graders can't play on Varsity. If no MS team, then 8th graders can play JV.
Le's see how this kid does against a well coached talented varsity. I'm sure they'll light him up sooner or later.
In Fairfax County, VA, 8th graders not permitted to play HS ball.
They can't in Florida either as far as I know, but the season hasn't started and the OP is sketch about what type of game it was (scrimmage or tournament).
In Florida many private HS programs especially in parochial schools. Varsity is 6th-12th.
TPM posted:lionbaseball posted:I think this kid has some talent but I don't see a domination of Varsity ball. I do see it as a way for this kid to get injured, playing against young men.
I have to admit that I agree with you!
It gets easier the more you do it, as my wife as learned. 
Stats4Gnats posted:cabbagedad posted:
5,001...
... and about the same number of mis-quotes and twisting of people's words.
How is taking exactly what someone says a misquote or twisting the meaning?
Why yes, Stats, that's exactly what I said... never remotely close to anyone, ever.
I’ve never once said coaches were inept, but you twisted my words to say that I have. So exactly what did you mean? How did you go from my saying memory and perceptions are not the best way to judge player performance, to me saying coaches are inept?
Apologies to the OP for distraction from the original thread... this will be my last reply to Stats.
Stats, you know all too well... look through all your other posts over the years to find your answer. Consider how many different well-respected folks here have told you the same. Consider how many times you have been kicked off this site or nearly kicked off for some of these same reasons. Over the years, of the thousands of members and readers here, no one else has come remotely close.
I have learned to mostly ignore but it gets really old. It is a shame how many good people and valuable resources have left this site over the years because of your shenanigans. You go into "best behavior mode" just long enough to not get booted again before you get back into the SOS. New readers be ware. Out.
Cabbage Dad;
On a "positive" note I noticed your son contributed to the SF State DH win yesterday.
PS: when I coached John Wetteland [later NY Yankees World Series MVP] 82% of his first pitches were 95 mph fast ball. This was 33 years ago.
Yes, coaches remember and players.
Willie Mays told me a story of remember a LHP [Louis Arroyo] who threw him a "change up" on a 3-1 count twice. He hit a HR, each time 10 years between AB.
Bob
Cabbagedad,
Whether what you say is true or not, WTF do you want here? Everyone spouting the SOS, or an exchange of ideas and opinions, no matter what those ideas or opinions are? I can be one of the typical “old timers” here who pat each other on the back no matter what they say, but I question things. I’m terribly sorry if that offends you, but that’s the way it is. I choose to think and have my own ideas.
Superbowl Sunday, let's get focused on something else. Everybody move on... this is too much and detracts from the intent of the site.
Done. Motion to close this thread. Anybody second this motion?
Go Bronco's!
This:
"...I don’t trust coaches who trust their memories when it comes to player performance rather than looking at stats."
... is not "an exchange of ideas". It's trolling. It may not be your intent, but it is how it's perceived. It's also using a strawman to win a point, which is intellectually dishonest. I say this not to start an argument with you, as I have less than zero interest in that, but to try to explain why what you apparently thought was an innocuous statement offended another long-time poster.
Sorry, Gov! There's a lot of water under this particular bridge.
Consultant posted:Cabbage Dad;
On a "positive" note I noticed your son contributed to the SF State DH win yesterday.
PS: when I coached John Wetteland [later NY Yankees World Series MVP] 82% of his first pitches were 95 mph fast ball. This was 33 years ago.
Yes, coaches remember and players.
Willie Mays told me a story of remember a LHP [Louis Arroyo] who threw him a "change up" on a 3-1 count twice. He hit a HR, each time 10 years between AB.
Bob
Hi Bob,
Thanks for getting things back on track... it was a beautiful day up closer to your neck of the woods yesterday.
Cool Mays story! My childhood baseball idol.
Congrats to the 11 y.o. in the OP story and I hope he continues his passion for the game.
Consultant posted:Cabbage Dad;
On a "positive" note I noticed your son contributed to the SF State DH win yesterday.
PS: when I coached John Wetteland [later NY Yankees World Series MVP] 82% of his first pitches were 95 mph fast ball. This was 33 years ago.
Yes, coaches remember and players.
Willie Mays told me a story of remember a LHP [Louis Arroyo] who threw him a "change up" on a 3-1 count twice. He hit a HR, each time 10 years between AB.
Bob
Bob,
My very first MLB game - Candlestick Park - Willie Mays & Willie McCovey! Mays was my favorite player growing up...
Gov posted:Superbowl Sunday, let's get focused on something else. Everybody move on... this is too much and detracts from the intent of the site.
Done. Motion to close this thread. Anybody second this motion?
Go Bronco's!
gov, im with you go bronco's. Owen Daniels was one of my wife's students years ago before she got into administration. I've been watching him play since HS. Nice to see a local boy make it that far.
JCG posted:This:
"...I don’t trust coaches who trust their memories when it comes to player performance rather than looking at stats."
... is not "an exchange of ideas". It's trolling. It may not be your intent, but it is how it's perceived. It's also using a strawman to win a point, which is intellectually dishonest. I say this not to start an argument with you, as I have less than zero interest in that, but to try to explain why what you apparently thought was an innocuous statement offended another long-time poster.
Sorry, Gov! There's a lot of water under this particular bridge.
Very much a bridge over very troubled water.
Gov posted:Consultant posted:Cabbage Dad;
On a "positive" note I noticed your son contributed to the SF State DH win yesterday.
PS: when I coached John Wetteland [later NY Yankees World Series MVP] 82% of his first pitches were 95 mph fast ball. This was 33 years ago.
Yes, coaches remember and players.
Willie Mays told me a story of remember a LHP [Louis Arroyo] who threw him a "change up" on a 3-1 count twice. He hit a HR, each time 10 years between AB.
Bob
Bob,
My very first MLB game - Candlestick Park - Willie Mays & Willie McCovey! Mays was my favorite player growing up...
GOV; a very interesting Stadium. Willie adjusted to hitting to right center because the wind was favorable. McCovey favorite park. Tom Haller, former Giant catcher and GM provided me the opportunity to pitch BP. It was indeed an great experience. The ball coming back "off the bat" was scary. The "Big Red" machine was the visitor.
Bob
The Little kid is certainly a good player for his age and maybe he can become a good high school or college player one day but there is no way an 80 pound kid competes with any halfway decent or even rather weak high school level.
Stats4Gnats posted:Cabbagedad,
Whether what you say is true or not, WTF do you want here? Everyone spouting the SOS, or an exchange of ideas and opinions, no matter what those ideas or opinions are? I can be one of the typical “old timers” here who pat each other on the back no matter what they say, but I question things. I’m terribly sorry if that offends you, but that’s the way it is. I choose to think and have my own ideas.
I confused at why you are continually "called out"? I know others that are much more annoying that get a free pass.
lionbaseball posted:Stats4Gnats posted:Cabbagedad,
Whether what you say is true or not, WTF do you want here? Everyone spouting the SOS, or an exchange of ideas and opinions, no matter what those ideas or opinions are? I can be one of the typical “old timers” here who pat each other on the back no matter what they say, but I question things. I’m terribly sorry if that offends you, but that’s the way it is. I choose to think and have my own ideas.
I confused at why you are continually "called out"? I know others that are much more annoying that get a free pass.
Because like you, he has been locked out and returned through the backdoor, uninvited.
He says things deliberately that he knows will get a rise out of some. You have improved, I give you much credit for that.
Stats is wash, rinse, repeat. He trolls the internet and posts on many sites doing the same thing he does here. They even gave him his own forum on stats, so he would stay out of other discussions and not highjacked them.
He doesn't really care about others opinions either.
Back to the OP ..... The teams and the talent level are extremely low. For his age I guess he is fine... might turn into a HS or College or Pro or HOF player SOMEDAY..... or he might be the next Bill Dance....
Some 12 and 13 years old players are projectable at this age as some poster above have mentioned... but so much can change it's almost a waste of time at this point.
First I want to congratulate this young man. I am not sure that at 11 I would have been anxious to bat against HS pitching or pitch against HS hitters regardless of the level of play and he should be commended for pushing himself.
Fundamentally he demonstrates sound technique at the plate and on the mound. That tells me he is willing to work. No one has can achieve fundamental soundness without lots of throws and lots of swings with adjustment along the way. He will have the potential to continue to develop and at some point may become the greatest a ball player we have ever seen with Cam Newton type physical skills and Mike Trout / Bryce Harper type baseball capabilities but to be sure at age11 potential is only potential.
With regard to the original question I have seen 15 and 16 year olds with the tools to compete against the top level HS players. I have seen a 14 year old who was an amazing hitter (LH like the little guy in the video but 5'8" and 140) that consistently hit as a freshman against good HS pitching with plus stuff. I have never seen anyone younger than that capable of truly competing much less dominating a good HS team but my experience is dwarfed compared to others on this site.
The baseball world is a harsh place and what you did last game, last at bat, last pitch, means nothing. It is all about the next opportunity, the next chance the next time. To help this young man he doesn't need to hear that he is dominating HS players but rather as Rober Frost so eloquently said he has "miles to go before I sleep"
Great little player and look forward to hearing about his progress. Thanks for sharing!!
Once the immature pissing contests were over in the above threads, it's nice to see SOMEONE here gets it. Thank you MDBALLDAD. To me, you're dead-on. This kid has a LONG way to go. What he HAS accomplished so far is rather unique and should be commended. As for the parents and the school, well...
With all due respect 4seamer, much of the pissing contest came about because of your topic title. An 11 year old playing with some HS kids is much different than him being "dominant". That word conjures up images that this kid and his competition do not meet up to. Had you posted a title along the lines of "How 'bout this 11 year old competing with the HS?" Things may have worked out differently.
No question this kid looks like he has a solid beginning. I hope he continues to grow and progress, but he doesn't appear to be dominant in the recorded scenario and the competition he's playing does not appear to be comparable to what many of the posters here have seen and faced in terms of HS varsity baseball.
My son pitched varsity his freshman year as a 5'8", 140 lb 15 year old in the highest classification here in Georgia. He held his own and from what I remember, pitched against 25 kids that either went D1 or were drafted that year. That kind of competition is not what this kid is facing here. Once again, not taking anything away from this kid who looks pretty good, for an 11 year old out there, but using the word "dominant" certainly set up some unfair expectations for what would be talked about during this thread.
Keep us up on his progress for sure!! As long as he keeps his head in the right place, he may be looking at a pretty decent future.
When my son was a 5'2, 110 12u eligible player he was asked to fill in for a 16u community based travel team. They were dealing with a long sick list. I told him he would probably play left, bat last and be expected not to screw up. I told him other than driver's licenses, sideburns and about a foot in height no one had anything on him.
He led off and played second. That baffled me. He went 2-3, a walk and an HBP with the bases loaded to win the game. Did he dominate? I'll use his words. "I survived it."
it wasn't the stats that impressed me. I was impressed he didn't bite on 0-2 and 1-2 curves in the dirt in his first at bat. I was impressed he stoled third when the pitcher didn't watch him closely. Everyone was impressed he took one for the team in the bottom of the last inning.
i didn't think my son was ready for 16u due to one game. He returned to 13u ball the next day. He played 14u the following year.
TPM posted:lionbaseball posted:Stats4Gnats posted:Cabbagedad,
Whether what you say is true or not, WTF do you want here? Everyone spouting the SOS, or an exchange of ideas and opinions, no matter what those ideas or opinions are? I can be one of the typical “old timers” here who pat each other on the back no matter what they say, but I question things. I’m terribly sorry if that offends you, but that’s the way it is. I choose to think and have my own ideas.
I confused at why you are continually "called out"? I know others that are much more annoying that get a free pass.
Because like you, he has been locked out and returned through the backdoor, uninvited.
He says things deliberately that he knows will get a rise out of some. You have improved, I give you much credit for that.
Stats is wash, rinse, repeat. He trolls the internet and posts on many sites doing the same thing he does here. They even gave him his own forum on stats, so he would stay out of other discussions and not highjacked them.
He doesn't really care about others opinions either.
You know the last statement could fit most of us at one time or another.
But, I guess I don't see it with Stats. Maybe because I didn't know him in his past life. 
4seamer posted:Once the immature pissing contests were over in the above threads, it's nice to see SOMEONE here gets it. Thank you MDBALLDAD. To me, you're dead-on. This kid has a LONG way to go. What he HAS accomplished so far is rather unique and should be commended. As for the parents and the school, well...
What exactly has he accomplished? I was at a HS game tonight. Former HS coach says, WTH was an 11 year old doing playing in games against much older competition.
Maybe he did dominate. I see it as just plain stupid. Parents and coaching staff should be ashamed. Coach your players correctly and you don't need an 11 year old to help you win a game.
lionbaseball posted:TPM posted:lionbaseball posted:Stats4Gnats posted:Cabbagedad,
Whether what you say is true or not, WTF do you want here? Everyone spouting the SOS, or an exchange of ideas and opinions, no matter what those ideas or opinions are? I can be one of the typical “old timers” here who pat each other on the back no matter what they say, but I question things. I’m terribly sorry if that offends you, but that’s the way it is. I choose to think and have my own ideas.
I confused at why you are continually "called out"? I know others that are much more annoying that get a free pass.
Because like you, he has been locked out and returned through the backdoor, uninvited.
He says things deliberately that he knows will get a rise out of some. You have improved, I give you much credit for that.
Stats is wash, rinse, repeat. He trolls the internet and posts on many sites doing the same thing he does here. They even gave him his own forum on stats, so he would stay out of other discussions and not highjacked them.
He doesn't really care about others opinions either.
You know the last statement could fit most of us at one time or another.
But, I guess I don't see it with Stats. Maybe because I didn't know him in his past life.
You know the last statement is true. That's more than likely why people don't reply much when he begins a topic.
They just know what they are going to get if they reply to an Internet troll.
TPM posted:You know the last statement is true. That's more than likely why people don't reply much when he begins a topic.They just know what they are going to get if they reply to an Internet troll.
True.....
How about a 14u 6'4 LHP throwing 80? He is currently a 6'6 2016 LHP throwing 90. He is one of those effortless pitchers. My son's reaction was "Wow, that was just beautiful."
My son's 14U summer team had a 6'4 lefty on it. He was the biggest 14 year old I had ever seen until one of our opponents in a PG tourney trotted out a 6'7 lefty. They faced each other in a pool game. It wasn't a good day for the hitters.
My last comment, I think the player in question is going to be a good player at least because he has proven he does have a good start on his skill set. And I would agree he needs to play up a year or two but not five or six years.
Last Juco season I saw a 20 year old hit one perfect right back at the pitcher who was 18.... he had no reaction time exit was like 110 , it fractured his skull and the ER doc at Vandy said if it ball hit him a little lower on his face he was be a vegetable .
Obviously he never played again. those are things you need to think about.
CaCO3Girl posted:How about a 14u 6'4 LHP throwing 80? He is currently a 6'6 2016 LHP throwing 90. He is one of those effortless pitchers. My son's reaction was "Wow, that was just beautiful."
I saw a 5' 10" 13u southpaw this summer throwing 82 at Team USA (Cary). He's from NH. He may never gain another mph in velo but 80 at 13/14 is pretty amazing.
CaCO3Girl posted:How about a 14u 6'4 LHP throwing 80? He is currently a 6'6 2016 LHP throwing 90. He is one of those effortless pitchers. My son's reaction was "Wow, that was just beautiful."
Best I ever saw at a young age was Emilio Vasquez who was throwing 84 as a 12u a few years ago.
The kid probably has more experience than all of those guys. I think he threw harder than the other team's pitcher too, but at least one pitch looked like a curve and I don't agree with letting a kid that young throw curves. At 11 I could have hung with those older kids myself, but definitely not against a real jv/varsity team. The most impressive talent I'd ever seen was a MS kid, I'm assuming 14yo, was throwing what looked to be 90 against our squad. I coudn't even see the ball. But now knowing what 88 looks like compared to 90, I think 88 is pretty spot on. The funny thing is our team lit him up for 6 runs and they couldn't hit our guys who were throwing 65-70mph. Our kids of course were all seasoned and could hit a straight 90 at the batting cages all day long. Our pitchers though had zero baseball experience as they were merely good athletes in other sports trying to become 3-sport athletes.
There's a lot of fuss about this kid, from what i could tell from the video he looked like a typical 11U around here. I think the fuss should be about the other kids and how they were the varsity squad.
johnnysako posted:There's a lot of fuss about this kid, from what i could tell from the video he looked like a typical 11U around here. I think the fuss should be about the other kids and how they were the varsity squad.
This is a tough crowd, man.
Those wanting an update - he played game 3 this evening. Went 2-4 at the plate. On the mound he was: 2 IP, 1 H, 1K, 0 BB, 0 R, 0ER. So far over the three games:
5 IP, 3 H, 3 K, 1 BB, 0 R, 0 ER. .157 BAA
4-11 at plate, 4 RBI, 3 SB, and 2 BB - .364 BA, .462 OBP
HSBASEBALL101 said:
"The kid probably has more experience than all of those guys."
This player has more higher leverage playing time than average for his age. He played for the 10u team that won Elite 32 a year+ ago.. was invited and played on his region's 12u NTIS team more than a year ago.. and has played in the state's higher competitive 10u/11u/12u major circuit. I think at 8u they were third in the nation in elites but they didn't call it that then. Not quite sure.
As for the level of play he is in today, I would guess - guess, mind you - from what I have seen as about AAA 15u or 16u, depending on the team they faced. There are one - maybe two talented players on each opposing team, and velo sits about mid sixties to mid-70's. I think one arm I saw might have hit upper 70's but he was all over the place.