This poll is prompted by the value of a high school program thread.
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Good poll. Looking forward to the reponses.
Great questions and great poll
I too will be looking forward to the results
I too will be looking forward to the results
The part that is missing is 2 fold.
Did/do they play a part in your son getting recruited?
Do they know how to help a high profile player?
One of the things missing in baseball versus football I have found is that it is a feather in the hat of high school football coaches to get players signed. It does not seem to be the same in baseball. They do not feel the need to help their players get signed. Many only know the coaches of the level of college ball that they played.
Did/do they play a part in your son getting recruited?
Do they know how to help a high profile player?
One of the things missing in baseball versus football I have found is that it is a feather in the hat of high school football coaches to get players signed. It does not seem to be the same in baseball. They do not feel the need to help their players get signed. Many only know the coaches of the level of college ball that they played.
I answered the questions with regard to the Assistant Coach who has been on the phone all Summer for our boys. I have only heard a few times where the Head Coach talked to college coaches.
Do you mind if I answer for myself or do you want to keep it strictly for parents and what they see?
Also, what's your definition of a contact? Would it be a HS coach who can call on a college coach and the college coach take the HS coach recommendation on a kid at face value or would it be a HS coach who knows how to contact a college coach. Or would it be a HS coach who has sent previous players to that college coach at whatever program he's been?
To me the definition of contact could take on many meanings with many people.
Looks like a good poll though.
Also, what's your definition of a contact? Would it be a HS coach who can call on a college coach and the college coach take the HS coach recommendation on a kid at face value or would it be a HS coach who knows how to contact a college coach. Or would it be a HS coach who has sent previous players to that college coach at whatever program he's been?
To me the definition of contact could take on many meanings with many people.
Looks like a good poll though.
When I came up with the college contact question I was thinking of my son's high school coach. There are college coaches who contact him asking what he has for talent. He also makes calls on behalf of players to certain colleges. He knows most of the coaches in the conference he played about fifteen years ago and most of the local college coaches.
Thanks RJM for clearing that up. Sounds like your son's coach has got it going on. I would say that is rare to find that much influence by a high school coach.
In terms of contacts and getting something done what I've seen is that parents believe you can pick up the phone and make a call to get their son a scholarship. Doesn't matter how many times you tell them that's not how it works they still expect a phone call scholarship.
In terms of contacts and getting something done what I've seen is that parents believe you can pick up the phone and make a call to get their son a scholarship. Doesn't matter how many times you tell them that's not how it works they still expect a phone call scholarship.
I have posted many times...but will again. Our younger son's HS coach was a "dream coach." Very much helpful and involved in our son's recruitment.
Best coach in America as far as I'm concerned.
Best coach in America as far as I'm concerned.
quote:One of the things missing in baseball versus football I have found is that it is a feather in the hat of high school football coaches to get players signed. It does not seem to be the same in baseball. They do not feel the need to help their players get signed. Many only know the coaches of the level of college ball that they played.
This typifies our experience. H.S. Coach was very good and certainly has been highly successful. However, I'm not aware of him assisting any player in the recruitment process. He made it quite clear to all parents that he did not consider 'getting your son a college scholarship, as part of his job to win state championships.
Whether one agrees with that philosophy or not, I think it behooves you to use all the resources available in that process and if he helps, great but don't count on it!
He has his pluses and minuses as a coach. There are areas I can praise him. There are areas where I think he needs serious improvement.quote:Originally posted by coach2709:
Thanks RJM for clearing that up. Sounds like your son's coach has got it going on. I would say that is rare to find that much influence by a high school coach.
In terms of contacts and getting something done what I've seen is that parents believe you can pick up the phone and make a call to get their son a scholarship. Doesn't matter how many times you tell them that's not how it works they still expect a phone call scholarship.
In terms of recruiting he played in a local college conference. Some of the current coaches are former teammates and opponents. Some of the old coaches are still in their positions. He was also an assistant at the local powerhouse before taking over our high school program as his first head coaching job.
He learned a lot about recruiting in the last couple of years. My son and another were his first D1 prospects. The only other D1 prospect I can think of was just before his tenure. He didn't know anything about showcase ball and PG events until my son's travel coach started showing up at our high school games. Then the coach attended a couple of local showcases. He was shocked at the level of play in the local scout league. I scored him in the "somewhat" category of understanding the process. But he's learning and open to learning.
The coach offered to help my son. He initiated some colleges contacting my son. None of the schools were on my son's radar screen. He ultimately had nothing to do with my son's destination. My son's travel coach made the contact.
quote:Originally posted by Prime9:quote:One of the things missing in baseball versus football I have found is that it is a feather in the hat of high school football coaches to get players signed. It does not seem to be the same in baseball. They do not feel the need to help their players get signed. Many only know the coaches of the level of college ball that they played.
This typifies our experience. H.S. Coach was very good and certainly has been highly successful. However, I'm not aware of him assisting any player in the recruitment process. He made it quite clear to all parents that he did not consider 'getting your son a college scholarship, as part of his job to win state championships.
Whether one agrees with that philosophy or not, I think it behooves you to use all the resources available in that process and if he helps, great but don't count on it!
Makes me sad to read these types of descriptions. Wish you could have experienced what we did.
One of the other sad things is that even with our coach who over-and-over volunteered to entire team and parents to help in any way he could...still some families thought they could do it on their own. Not sure why? But some just chose the solitary route...and I think it cost them in the end, at least a little.
Try not to make assumptions about which one your HS coach is (i.e. helper or not)...not that anyone here has made assumptions...just advising. Sometimes they are very anxious to help if you just invite them in.
There's an interesting trend in the results. While 58% of the coaches played college ball, the percentage that understand the recruiting process declines. Then the percentage with ten contacts declines even more. Is it because the process has changed so much since they were recruited?
When I was recruited showcases didn't exist. We saw scouts at high school and Legion games. From my Legion team advancing to regions my soph and junior year that was additional exposure. We went to MLB tryouts for exposure. It was the closest thing to a showcase. I also had the benefit of playing high school and Legion ball with a couple of top pro prospects.
A Legion umpire (also an NCAA umpire and a pro scout) provided the lead to a college coach that led to my recruitment. This falls under the "you never know who's watching" category.
When I was recruited showcases didn't exist. We saw scouts at high school and Legion games. From my Legion team advancing to regions my soph and junior year that was additional exposure. We went to MLB tryouts for exposure. It was the closest thing to a showcase. I also had the benefit of playing high school and Legion ball with a couple of top pro prospects.
A Legion umpire (also an NCAA umpire and a pro scout) provided the lead to a college coach that led to my recruitment. This falls under the "you never know who's watching" category.
My view/experience is there isn't any common conclusion.
It can vary by HS separated by one block.
Our son went to a HS where the Coaching staff has every roster posted in school colors dating back to about 1985 or so, when the Coach got the job. These are metal, are mounted on the back of the home dugout, have the team record and how far they went into post season play.
Each player who went on to play in college is highlighted.
Each player who went on to be drafted/play professionally is highlighted again.
From the time the players are freshman, they learn.
Just down the street is the major rival.
That school now has perhaps the finest baseball facility in all of California HS baseball....perhaps on par with the better college fields.
The staff there does not take an active role other than coaching during the HS season. Players don't matriculate on to play in college, they are usually out coached by one run per game in the Rivalry, the parents are dispirited, and then they start over.
It can vary by HS separated by one block.
Our son went to a HS where the Coaching staff has every roster posted in school colors dating back to about 1985 or so, when the Coach got the job. These are metal, are mounted on the back of the home dugout, have the team record and how far they went into post season play.
Each player who went on to play in college is highlighted.
Each player who went on to be drafted/play professionally is highlighted again.
From the time the players are freshman, they learn.
Just down the street is the major rival.
That school now has perhaps the finest baseball facility in all of California HS baseball....perhaps on par with the better college fields.
The staff there does not take an active role other than coaching during the HS season. Players don't matriculate on to play in college, they are usually out coached by one run per game in the Rivalry, the parents are dispirited, and then they start over.