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Originally Posted by RJM:
Originally Posted by Golfman25:

While I have enjoyed what I have seen, it's time the increase the field to 50-70.  These kids are too big for this small field.  

The next step is getting rid of the 13yos. The deadline date has been changed to 12/31. So now age is based on what age will you turn during the calendar year. Technically, if a kid turns 12 on 12/31 he's a 12 that previous summer.

 

The only thing LL is doing wrong is grandfathering all the kids who were nine and older this year to the old date. I can understand grandfathering the 11s so they don't skip their 12yo glory year due to the date change. But kids don't need four years of LL all stars from 9-12.

 

LL has a 50/70 division. I imagine eventually that tournament will become the big event.

LL adopted the age change to 12/31 cutoff this year, implemented in 2018.

Biggest issue of moving to a 50/70 field for LL is the sheer number of fields, charters are local, and local must pay for the changes to the fields. Since LL have multiple age groups, 5 and up, 50/70 is an additional size field they must maintain.

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If you use portable mounds it cost about 30 bucks and an hour of work to convert to 50/70. If you have dirt mounts it gets a lot trickier. It doesn't matter though as long a williams port is 46/60 leagues are going to be slow to switch since that is the ultimate goal. When dixie league gave the 50/70 option I believe 90% of the local leagues made the switch in two years but dixie league doesn't have the major event like LL does. If williams port changed to 50/70 then 46/60 would be gone in a few years.

Also the 46/60 may have some agrivating things about it but wait till you watch all walks and singles turn into automatic doubles. I would like to see 50/70 because I feel it's more size appropriate but would like to see the bases remain closed.

Yes it would be a headache for all the local LL's to change to 50/70 but it absolutely has to be done....and soon.  Williamsport went from 200' fences to 225' a few years ago...but needs to push it back to 250' or more to make the games more "realistic".  If you look at the rosters of the American LL teams....then search those kids in the major "travel" programs...USSSA, etc, you'll find ALOT of those same names on some of the top teams in the areas where those LL teams come from.  These kids are playing top level travel ball at 50/70 all summer...then dropping down to 46/60 to play for their local LL.  I really think it's as much a safety issue as a "baseball" issue.  The distances just don't make sense for kids as big as are playing in the LLWS

Originally Posted by RJM:

If it were a 12-13 year old boy who threw a 2 hit shut out, I doubt the media would have been all over him as they have her.

 

She's getting more attention than a kid who threw an 18 K no hitter several years ago. 

 

 I've heard comments about her wanting to go pro.

 

Baseball isn't her first sport. Her goal is to play basketball for UConn. In the Philadelphia papers today (philly.com) she's being compared to Dawn Staley. A 12yo who has pitched her team (with a 1.5m population LL boundry/normal is 20k) to the LLWS is being compared to a former high school female basketball national player of the year, two time NCAA player of the year and three time gold medal winner with Team USA. It's a bit over the top.

 

On our local news last night the News Barbie exclaimed maybe she will be the first female to play MLB. The sportscaster said it's a nice story but she needs to make her high school team first.

 

All it really is, is a girl staying with baseball when most girls are playing softball who has grown to her mature height of 5'4" while we wait for all the boys to wizz past her as they reach puberty. Nice LL story though.

Way to be a sexist pig. She was probably asking to be called a "News Barbie," right?

Originally Posted by OldSkool2:
Originally Posted by RJM:

If it were a 12-13 year old boy who threw a 2 hit shut out, I doubt the media would have been all over him as they have her.

 

She's getting more attention than a kid who threw an 18 K no hitter several years ago. 

 

 I've heard comments about her wanting to go pro.

 

Baseball isn't her first sport. Her goal is to play basketball for UConn. In the Philadelphia papers today (philly.com) she's being compared to Dawn Staley. A 12yo who has pitched her team (with a 1.5m population LL boundry/normal is 20k) to the LLWS is being compared to a former high school female basketball national player of the year, two time NCAA player of the year and three time gold medal winner with Team USA. It's a bit over the top.

 

On our local news last night the News Barbie exclaimed maybe she will be the first female to play MLB. The sportscaster said it's a nice story but she needs to make her high school team first.

 

All it really is, is a girl staying with baseball when most girls are playing softball who has grown to her mature height of 5'4" while we wait for all the boys to wizz past her as they reach puberty. Nice LL story though.

Way to be a sexist pig. She was probably asking to be called a "News Barbie," right?

It would be nice if you added to the baseball conversation once in a while rather than making instigating confrontation your objective.

 

How many women are there in MLB? How many women are there in D1 college baseball? I'll give you a shot. How many women are there in high school baseball? Why is it the answers are such that they are? Isn't a little absurd to compare a 12yo kid to a three time national player of the year and three time gold medal winning athlete?

 

The News Barbie term came from Dan Rather. He refered to a lot of the men as News Kens. How many local news anchors, male or female do you believe are hired on their news acumen before their looks? All they're doing is reading off a teleprompter. A majority of the time they offer an opinion it's uninformed and ridiculous.

 

I'm not sexist. I deal in reality. Have a nice day!

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Originally Posted by Buckeye 2015:

Yes it would be a headache for all the local LL's to change to 50/70 but it absolutely has to be done....and soon.  Williamsport went from 200' fences to 225' a few years ago...but needs to push it back to 250' or more to make the games more "realistic".  If you look at the rosters of the American LL teams....then search those kids in the major "travel" programs...USSSA, etc, you'll find ALOT of those same names on some of the top teams in the areas where those LL teams come from.  These kids are playing top level travel ball at 50/70 all summer...then dropping down to 46/60 to play for their local LL.  I really think it's as much a safety issue as a "baseball" issue.  The distances just don't make sense for kids as big as are playing in the LLWS

This was all but admitted when they interviewed the LL CEO on tv last night. 

 

It's time to change the distances. 

Originally Posted by RJM:
Originally Posted by OldSkool2:
Originally Posted by RJM:

If it were a 12-13 year old boy who threw a 2 hit shut out, I doubt the media would have been all over him as they have her.

 

She's getting more attention than a kid who threw an 18 K no hitter several years ago. 

 

 I've heard comments about her wanting to go pro.

 

Baseball isn't her first sport. Her goal is to play basketball for UConn. In the Philadelphia papers today (philly.com) she's being compared to Dawn Staley. A 12yo who has pitched her team (with a 1.5m population LL boundry/normal is 20k) to the LLWS is being compared to a former high school female basketball national player of the year, two time NCAA player of the year and three time gold medal winner with Team USA. It's a bit over the top.

 

On our local news last night the News Barbie exclaimed maybe she will be the first female to play MLB. The sportscaster said it's a nice story but she needs to make her high school team first.

 

All it really is, is a girl staying with baseball when most girls are playing softball who has grown to her mature height of 5'4" while we wait for all the boys to wizz past her as they reach puberty. Nice LL story though.

Way to be a sexist pig. She was probably asking to be called a "News Barbie," right?

It would be nice if you added to the baseball conversation once in a while rather than making instigating confrontation your objective.

 

How many women are there in MLB? How many women are there in D1 college baseball? I'll give you a shot. How many women are there in high school baseball? Why is it the answers are such that they are? Isn't a little absurd to compare a 12yo kid to a three time national player of the year and three time gold medal winning athlete?

 

The News Barbie term came from Dan Rather. He refered to a lot of the men as News Kens. How many local news anchors, male or female do you believe are hired on their news acumen before their looks? All they're doing is reading off a teleprompter. A majority of the time they offer an opinion it's uninformed and ridiculous.

 

I'm not sexist. I deal in reality. Have a nice day!

I'm surprised you would quote Dan Rather on that since you clearly hate him. Thank you for that response, it was very predictable and funny. Sexists are if nothing else, predictable on how they objectify and hate women. (Cue the: "but I love women, my wife is a woman, I have a daughter who's a woman" blah blah blah)

Originally Posted by Mizzoubaseball:
Originally Posted by OldSkool2:
 

Way to be a sexist pig. She was probably asking to be called a "News Barbie," right?

 

Ah, the struggle of the white man.  Nothing better to do than sit around and call out racism and sexism.  Strange, the women on board don't seem to have a problem with this

Right because the real crime is pointing out other people's sexism and racism, not the actual sexism and racism.

Originally Posted by OldSkool2:
Originally Posted by Mizzoubaseball:
Originally Posted by OldSkool2:
 

Way to be a sexist pig. She was probably asking to be called a "News Barbie," right?

 

Ah, the struggle of the white man.  Nothing better to do than sit around and call out racism and sexism.  Strange, the women on board don't seem to have a problem with this

Right because the real crime is pointing out other people's sexism and racism, not the actual sexism and racism.

Fight on!

Originally Posted by OldSkool2:
Originally Posted by Mizzoubaseball:
Originally Posted by OldSkool2:
 

Way to be a sexist pig. She was probably asking to be called a "News Barbie," right?

 

Ah, the struggle of the white man.  Nothing better to do than sit around and call out racism and sexism.  Strange, the women on board don't seem to have a problem with this

Right because the real crime is pointing out other people's sexism and racism, not the actual sexism and racism.

Like I said, the only thing you add to this board is instigation. I'd get into it with you. But it would be unfair of me me to get into a battle of wits with an unarmed man. Have a nice day.

Originally Posted by Buckeye 2015:

Yes it would be a headache for all the local LL's to change to 50/70 but it absolutely has to be done....and soon.  Williamsport went from 200' fences to 225' a few years ago...but needs to push it back to 250' or more to make the games more "realistic".  If you look at the rosters of the American LL teams....then search those kids in the major "travel" programs...USSSA, etc, you'll find ALOT of those same names on some of the top teams in the areas where those LL teams come from.  These kids are playing top level travel ball at 50/70 all summer...then dropping down to 46/60 to play for their local LL.  I really think it's as much a safety issue as a "baseball" issue.  The distances just don't make sense for kids as big as are playing in the LLWS

The size issue will be mitigated somewhat by the new age rules, but there will always be larger kids around. It's kind of ironic: here in CA, before both travel and the LLWS got to be so big, that issue more or less took care of itself.  If a 12yo kid was clearly too big and strong to play Majors, the coaches would kick him up to Juniors.  Now that everybody has seen the LLWS on TV and wants to go, and now that juniors is a struggling division that's populated by kids without enough skills, size, and money to play travel, nobody thinks of that solution.

 

When LL booted the call (IMHO) a few years back on making 50/70 the size for Majors and the LLWS, the main reason, I am sure, was that so many leagues would say that they could not convert their 46-60 fields to 50/70. Williamsport was worried about losing a lot of those leagues. Of that group, some were right. They don't own their fields, and the city or school or whatever that did own the park would not allow them to convert. But I think most were just expressing their institutional inertia.  Local leagues, like any organization, get very set in their ways. So when you say to these leagues, you can convert your field, or you can run a youth umpire program, or whatever, they say, "oh, no, we can't do that. We've never done that. We've always done it this way."  So you have to show them that they can. 

 

Best case scenario -- Williamsport's decision to kick the 50/70 can down the road has given many local leagues time to cycle into newer leadership that sees how easy it is to set up 50/70 baseball and how  much better it is, and that will allow LL to go to 50/70 for Majors and the LLWS.

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Originally Posted by roothog66:

       
Originally Posted by JCG:

It's going to be fun to see what happens on Weds when the Philly team takes on the Vegas team.  While Philly needed a little luck to scratch out their win over TX today, Vegas absolutely beat down Chicago.  They are clearly the team to beat, with a bunch of hitters who can go yard, and a kid who throws harder than many if not most JV HS pitchers I've seen. Assuming Philly goes with Mo'ne it should be a heck of an interesting match up. Unless she can dominate again, from what I've seen Philly does not have the firepower to keep up with Vegas.

This is where I think the media did the poor girl a misjustice. She had a great game over a relatively weak team. They built her up as a superhero. She can only succeed now by shutting down Vegas and that isn't going to happen. I would bet you anyhting she gets lit up and it's not fair the pressure she has been put under. I'm beginning to get a bad taste in my mouth for a lot of this. Anyone else see the Texas kid crying on the mound over a two out walk in a low pressure situation? Maybe having kids playing on national TV and in front of 30,000 live fans is a lot of pressure at that age?


       


I wouldn't necessarily call the tennessee team a weak team. Their defense is a little suspect and IMO didn't have the pitching depth to run through the tournament but the top of their order is compairible to any team in the tourney. Now wether they just had a bad day or opening game nerves or it was her I don't know but she walked through some pretty good hitters.
Originally Posted by Scotty83:
Originally Posted by roothog66:

       
Originally Posted by JCG:

It's going to be fun to see what happens on Weds when the Philly team takes on the Vegas team.  While Philly needed a little luck to scratch out their win over TX today, Vegas absolutely beat down Chicago.  They are clearly the team to beat, with a bunch of hitters who can go yard, and a kid who throws harder than many if not most JV HS pitchers I've seen. Assuming Philly goes with Mo'ne it should be a heck of an interesting match up. Unless she can dominate again, from what I've seen Philly does not have the firepower to keep up with Vegas.

This is where I think the media did the poor girl a misjustice. She had a great game over a relatively weak team. They built her up as a superhero. She can only succeed now by shutting down Vegas and that isn't going to happen. I would bet you anyhting she gets lit up and it's not fair the pressure she has been put under. I'm beginning to get a bad taste in my mouth for a lot of this. Anyone else see the Texas kid crying on the mound over a two out walk in a low pressure situation? Maybe having kids playing on national TV and in front of 30,000 live fans is a lot of pressure at that age?


       


I wouldn't necessarily call the tennessee team a weak team. Their defense is a little suspect and IMO didn't have the pitching depth to run through the tournament but the top of their order is compairible to any team in the tourney. Now wether they just had a bad day or opening game nerves or it was her I don't know but she walked through some pretty good hitters.


Relative to Nevada, Texas, Chicago, etc. they were one of the weaker two or three teams to make it out of regionals. I didn't mean that they were bad. I just don't have much doubt that Nevada will light her up. I actually hope not. I'm pulling for her. I got $2k on that game.  jk

I agree tennessees bottom of the order is weaker than some of the more complete teams. I just feel their top 4 is as good as Nevadas top 4. Well of coarse with the exception of that freaking stud from Nevada. I want to see her pitch agaist Navada so I can she if it was her pitching or if they just had a bad day. It was hard to see on TV but it looked like her fast ball had a little late movement on it making it hard to hit solid. I interested in seeing her pitch again so I can look harder for that.
Originally Posted by RJM:
Originally Posted by OldSkool2:
Originally Posted by Mizzoubaseball:
Originally Posted by OldSkool2:
 

Way to be a sexist pig. She was probably asking to be called a "News Barbie," right?

 

Ah, the struggle of the white man.  Nothing better to do than sit around and call out racism and sexism.  Strange, the women on board don't seem to have a problem with this

Right because the real crime is pointing out other people's sexism and racism, not the actual sexism and racism.

Like I said, the only thing you add to this board is instigation. I'd get into it with you. But it would be unfair of me me to get into a battle of wits with an unarmed man. Have a nice day.

Quoting someone else's sexist remark doesn't make your use of it any less sexist. And the fact that I don't contribute here in a manner that reached your standards doesn't make you look any less sexist by ignoring my pointing out the ignorance and inappropriateness of your remark.

Originally Posted by OldSkool2:
Originally Posted by RJM:
Originally Posted by OldSkool2:
Originally Posted by Mizzoubaseball:
Originally Posted by OldSkool2:
 

Way to be a sexist pig. She was probably asking to be called a "News Barbie," right?

 

Ah, the struggle of the white man.  Nothing better to do than sit around and call out racism and sexism.  Strange, the women on board don't seem to have a problem with this

Right because the real crime is pointing out other people's sexism and racism, not the actual sexism and racism.

Like I said, the only thing you add to this board is instigation. I'd get into it with you. But it would be unfair of me me to get into a battle of wits with an unarmed man. Have a nice day.

Quoting someone else's sexist remark doesn't make your use of it any less sexist. And the fact that I don't contribute here in a manner that reached your standards doesn't make you look any less sexist by ignoring my pointing out the ignorance and inappropriateness of your remark.

I started a response that would be understandable to an intelligent person. But it would have showed you up. I decided you're not worth the effort. Given you add nothing to the board from a baseball perspective and are nothing but a troll I figured the best solution is placing you on ignore. I know I won't be missing any intelligent comments.

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Originally Posted by RJM:
Originally Posted by OldSkool2:
Originally Posted by RJM:
Originally Posted by OldSkool2:
Originally Posted by Mizzoubaseball:
Originally Posted by OldSkool2:
 

Way to be a sexist pig. She was probably asking to be called a "News Barbie," right?

 

Ah, the struggle of the white man.  Nothing better to do than sit around and call out racism and sexism.  Strange, the women on board don't seem to have a problem with this

Right because the real crime is pointing out other people's sexism and racism, not the actual sexism and racism.

Like I said, the only thing you add to this board is instigation. I'd get into it with you. But it would be unfair of me me to get into a battle of wits with an unarmed man. Have a nice day.

Quoting someone else's sexist remark doesn't make your use of it any less sexist. And the fact that I don't contribute here in a manner that reached your standards doesn't make you look any less sexist by ignoring my pointing out the ignorance and inappropriateness of your remark.

I started a response that would be understandable to an intelligent person. But it would have showed you up. I decided you're not worth the effort. Given you add nothing to the board from a baseball perspective and are nothing but a troll I figured the best solution is placing you on ignore. I know I won't be missing any intelligent comments.

I think we have a template now for how to get RJM to ignore someone. You’re all welcome.

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