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Re: Recruitable as Two Way Player for Ivy ???
This is one tough thing to find out. A policy analysis professor of mine used to say, "Don't ask the question, if you can't stand the answer." RipkenFan Son at times wanted to think he was in the "mix" at several schools and thought such questions may bother RCs; he was hesitant. Schools often keep a large enough pool, so they may not want to eliminate candidates early; or feel there is "still time" to find better.
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Ripken you are absolutely right, it is a tough question to ask, and what you really want to hear from the beginning is that your name is the one with three starts next to it; if you are in the 7/8 top main list they will let you know, otherwise, assume that you are not. One sign that may be recognizable as good is how often and firm they ask about you and other schools and if you are going to visit them. The feeling is in how they continue after they say 'we sent your papers to admissions...
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Re: Recruitable as Two Way Player for Ivy ???
Sometimes it's easy. 2017 did one visit where a whiteboard was visible in HC's office, and we could see where his name was positioned. But I guess allowing a player to see that could be deliberate.
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4Bases with numbers above, 7/8, the road is is definitely tougher for a position player. Typical recruiting class: 4 pitchers, OF, MI and either Corner Infielder with pop who can throw a couple of innings or C. Schools which have a higher number of recruits will increase the P, power hitters, and take a C each class.
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Re: Recruitable as Two Way Player for Ivy ???
Just to comment and add our experience and 2 cents FWIW... - I believe Georgetown still STRONGLY recommends 3 SAT subject tests so not sure anything has been pared back. - The Academic Index at the Ivies weights test scores more than GPA since schools and grades are so varied across our great nation. - Most of the Ivies have 7 admission slots this year, with at least 1 having only 5. Those are the guys getting admissions support and likely letters. I do not agree with the above positional...
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Backstop22 really laid out the game plan about 2018's seeking a fit in academic ball. It's all about TESTING. Prepping , Tests, re-tests and for parents terribly expensive tutors. Also, I just sort of want to follow up my original post by saying. I'm reluctant at times to post about the realities of recruiting because I feel like I'm the 'grim reaper' . The reality of how offers come about and how schools recruit are cold and harsh. But it's the truth based on my experience. I also believe...
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Re: 2020 RHP/ Is it too late for P5
While the typical cycle for a P5 is a bit earlier, they will definitely find room for a kid that touches 90's and is an effective P with decent secondary offerings. If you have success with your top travel summer team, I'm pretty sure you will have P5 opportunities. Make sure grades and attitude are in check as well.
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Re: 2020 RHP/ Is it too late for P5
It's not too late for P5. Keep working at it, and of course take good care of your arm! The summer before Senior year is huge for colleges of all sizes getting a good look at prospects.
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Re: 2020 RHP/ Is it too late for P5
I think there are still opportunities to be had for pitchers! Could you give us some info on your academics?
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Re: 2020 RHP/ Is it too late for P5
My RHP 2018 committed to a P5 in September of his senior year. I think you definitely can do it, but others are right — academics, attitude are key.
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Re: 2020 RHP/ Is it too late for P5
It's late, but it is never too late for a guy throwing 90 with height. You're in the right direction with the travel team. If they're not hitting the WWBA and the other major tournaments this summer, find a team to guest play with - one that is even better. What you should be doing now is reaching out to schools with the subject line - Joe Smith 6'2 91 mph RHP - and telling them you're interested in their program with some video of you throwing a bullpen with a radar in the frame. Make sure...
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Re: 2020 RHP/ Is it too late for P5
The truth is at this stage grades don't matter much. He either has the talent for P5 schools or he doesn't. They don't care about grades until they identify you as a prospect and are on the cusp of making an offer. P5 schools are probably the most lenient on admissions when it comes to athletics. If he can't get into a P5 school with baseball on his side, odds are he won't be getting into many mid majors with baseball on his side either. He is also a second semester junior, grades aren't...
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Re: 2020 RHP/ Is it too late for P5
No, its not too late for P5 or other schools but you need to be getting exposure and creating a buzz in the marketplace if P5 school is the goal . Not sure how many D1 schollies are still out there, but there may be opps w/o schollies so that needs to be considered. I see your metrics as a tweener in a lot of different ways because of your velocity, frame and recruitability. You're not small but not overly tall either for a D1 pitcher. You've got good D1 velocity but not great velocity which...
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Re: 2020 RHP/ Is it too late for P5
P5 isn’t always the be all, end all some people view it to be. I doubt any player on Coastal Carolina or Cal Stare Fullerton wishes they were in a P5 program if it’s not as competitive as their program. The chances or playing both ways in college are slim and none. A lot of very good hitters have only pitched in college. If you get one P5 offer and it’s a solid program you have to ask yourself some very honest questions. Why is this one P5 offering and not others? Are they seeing something...
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Re: 2020 RHP/ Is it too late for P5
One more thing, I did not throw very hard during my freshman and shophomore years, well above average but not enough to get D1s attention. All off the D1 attention I have now has came from scout ball in the fall.
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Re: 2020 RHP/ Is it too late for P5
Just know these are all opinions based on each parents own personal experience, as is my response. My son did not have interest from any schools at the D1 level until he attended a P5 camp and had a great performance while also living 90+ with every fastball, during fall of his senior year. But as Fenway pointed out, athletic scholarship money is going fast. Both P5 schools that my son was talking to either had or were not willing to provide athletic money. Those that met him late early in...
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Re: 2020 RHP/ Is it too late for P5
If you are 89-92 when summer rolls around and have plus offspeed you will receive interest/offers from a variety of P5 programs.....what's critical for you is to be with the right organization at the right events......WWBA, music city, midwesprospect league, etc. are important places to be......if you have verifiable stats (pg,pbr) email your target schools pitching coach/recruiting coordinator a link to your profile along with information as to why you are interested in there school and...
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Re: 2020 RHP/ Is it too late for P5
I would echo that P5 is not all that. You can go there and find you aren't getting playing time, while at a "lesser" school you might get more work. Some "stud' players that my 2018 played with are just sitting at their top ranked schools. Hard to improve that way.
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Re: 2020 RHP/ Is it too late for P5
i think you are in good shape, play in big events this summer on a good travel program and I think you are going to get a lot more interest. sounds like you are somewhat of a late bloomer but with your size and velocity i think you will see good interest this summer. My son had 2 2019 pitchers at his school pick up Big 12 offers last summer.
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Re: 2020 RHP/ Is it too late for P5
At 6'3 and throwing 90 you're going to get looked at as a pitcher. The odds of being a two-way, especially in a P5 are very, very slim. Keep working the velo and you're likely to have plenty of offers over the summer....especially if you can push it up to 92-93
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Re: 2020 RHP/ Is it too late for P5
My 2018 verbally committed to a Big West school in July before his senior year. He was throwing 88-90. He had a decent number of offers. He signed the NLI that November. His senior year was off-the-charts successful. Pro scouts coming out, gave up only 6 hits in 52.2 innings the entire year. Sitting 91-93/T94. We fielded SEVERAL calls that spring (usually backdoor requests through scouts) from P5's wanting to know if he had actually signed his NLI. It was quite clear that this improvement...
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Re: Academic Showcase insights
RHPINSF -- what's his goal? Ivy? Patriot League? He'll get lots of looks with those stats -- especially if he can throw strikes. I had a LHP WCAL pitcher with a 3.6 and he thew low-80s and got decent interest. Can't say enough about HF.
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My son is also a RHP, not as tall as yours, similar velo, went to HF summer after soph year in 2018. HF is very well run and was a great experience for my kid. He got to talk directly with some coaches, got some good advice about the recruiting process from the HF folks. In my opinion, the expense was worth it. BUT, if you are evaluating things strictly from a recruiting standpoint, you may want to wait until fall or next summer. Your son’s stats will get noticed. However, D1 coaches can’t...
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RHPinSF, This is a great question. MAM is exactly right...it depends on your son's goals. Before I invest in any airfare, hotels or anything I'd want my son to specifically identify the schools he's interested in. I want a list in my hands, because this can go sideways quick if there is no plan in place. A schools division (D1, D2, D2, etc..) determines the school's recruiting timeline. Many D1 schools are looking at sophomores. If your son has any thoughts about playing D1 then he needs to...
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Fenway has a lot more experience than I do, but one addendum I'd offer to his post: Schools definitely tend to pick in order of NCAA divisions, but the most academically selective HA D1s seem to mostly wait until grades are in for a player's Junior year. Sophomores absolutely can (and IMO should) get on the radar of these schools, but I wouldn't expect an offer until well into Jr year at earliest. Take a look on the PG web site at commitments for the Ivies, Georgetown, Northwestern--they...
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Re: Academic Showcase insights
Thanks for all the great replies. It's my first go at this, so I really appreciate your baseball brain power. My son is using baseball as a way into the best college possible. He doesn't really care if it's D1,D2, or D3. He's interested in economics, so I'll have him create a list of his academic dream schools, and we'll target those first. Thanks again for all the great info.
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RHPinSF, you probably know this already, but Head First does conduct camps in Woodland CA in June and September.
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Kind of amazing that a freshman already knows he wants to major in Economics. An academic dream list for econ should include Claremont McKenna IMHO but they don't attend HF, last I heard. I recommend you try to get him into the NorCal World Series next year. Stanford may be a good choice too.
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Because of all your smart advice, we'd decided to register for Headfirst West 4 in Woodland this September. And Showball in Albany NY in Aug. And next summer, hit a couple more. I didn't know about NorCal World Series, that looks great too. Thanks for that lead. I'm not a baseball guy (I rowed in College and never played baseball.) JCG, I know it's nuts to be thinking about a field of interest at this age, but we've heard from admissions people that they aren't as interested in generalist.
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Take a look at the Showball academic showcases, too. Also very good, and a slightly different mix of HA schools (as well as a good deal of overlap). My son has done both and both were very good. I will note that Showball only has pitchers throw on Day 2, while HF has them pitch on both days. For my son at HF, that meant 40+ pitches on Day 1, then another 80+ on Day 2. Not ideal...
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... and the Junior All-Academic Tryout at the AZ Senior Fall Classic. https://azfallclassic.com/junior-all-academic-game Another recent thread: https://community.hsbaseballwe...ides-showball-and-hf
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My info from 2009 era (tho I keep current on some lines of info). As a rising junior at HF (and Stanford) my son was at least 6" shorter and 30 lbs lighter (tho a LHP), he sat 80-2, had a bit better grades 😉. I thought it really helped him when he went the following summer to the same camps with very improved velo. I think it gave the coaches a feel for his progression (and, by extension, his work ethic) baseball wise and physical maturity. Foe example, most kids are trying to be seen, but...
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Is your son a rising junior then? I think a HA showcase in the fall is a good move. HeadFirst is ideal for direct communication with coaches so depending on how comfortable your son feels talking them up, he may need some prep with that aspect :-). He should reach out via e-mail to coaches who will be in attendance. I would also explore playing in the Junior Fall Classic in Arizona - it is highly scouted and given the timing (October), coaches could possibly get two looks within a couple of...
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This is an incredibe amount of great information. Thank you all so much. I may have somehow implied he's a freshman. He's a sophmore now and will be a Junior this the fall. I'll be sure to look into the Junior Fall classic! OK...I'll push my luck a bit, and throw another one out there. Does he really need to bother with travel anymore? He'd rather play on his HS summer team locally. Could these showcases be enough for a RHP to be seen by the right coaches? Or is that crazy talk
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In my opinion, he should do both showcases and compete with the highest level travel team at this point. If a coach has interest from a showcase performance, they're going to want to see him play in a competitive game. Hopefully, his travel team coaches are also in a good position to help him make contact with college coaches. My son (2020) has played on a local summer team but that is only because we live in Phoenix and a lot of the major tournaments are held here. If we lived somewhere...
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On whether to play travel. Not one size fits all. In general, a hitter should play. But a pitcher is treated differently. I'd approach it from the perspective of "what does he need to do to get his skills to the highest level?" Some kids need lessons and build their summer around that (we did); others need game situations and build their summer around that; some build their summers around college camps. But, no path inherently increases or decreases recruiting chances. There are lots of...
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will also add my 2 cents as my 2017 LHP played on a very well known national travel team. They did not have the same connections for the high academic schools he was looking at as they did for the P5 conferences, and the mid D1 schools. We absolutely had to supplement with showcases and camps (did Stanford back in its old format) in order to be seen by the coaches of the schools he was interested in. To this extent, depending upon your son's dream list, travel may or may not make sense. If...
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Re: Where can I play
Ok, I'll take a swing at this one since no one else has.......Kanye those are some impressive #s. Like, all of them. Was this your first showcase? Do you play summer ball for a showcase team? Are you new to the idea of playing college baseball? Your post reads as if you just happened to stumble into an Ivy showcase and have no clue about a recruiting process that for a 2017 is in its final phase. If you are what you say you are, then you have a lot to offer. Not sure what Ivy you were just...
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Thanks for the reply. I was approached by an Ivy and Georgetown. I also just got an email from a NESCAC. I went up to the Georgetown camp a few weeks ago and was 85-87. My GPA is only a 3.1 uw and a 3.3 w so I am a little worried that this score is too low for these schools. My test score is a 34 only when superscored (33 reg) but I think most schools take the superscore. Is it true that Ivy recruiting is in it's final phase? I have only seen a few kids commit thus far in the summer. I...
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Re: Where can I play
Without any other context, I'd be concerned about taking on an Ivy academically with a 3.1 GPA, and I would guess that your GPA would be a stumbling block in recruiting, though not necessarily an impassable one given your other numbers. Notwithstanding that, if you're sitting mid/upper 80s as a 2017, there's somewhere for you to play with that GPA and ACT. You should probably be further down the road than where you appear to be based on your questions here, though. If I were you, I'd be...
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Re: Where can I play
Your ACT is really high, while your GPA and uw GPA is low for Ivy and indicates lack of the rigor they want to see. There are certainly good D3 schools that would love to have you, but with your ACT and your velo, I'd spend a year or two at Juco kicking academic and baseball ass. If you do that you can take your pick of pretty much any school in the country.
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When my son went through recruiting the two interested Ivies were looking for an unweighted 3.5 with several AP courses plus a 1300+ SAT (Math and English). 1300+ is equal to a 28 ACT on the conversion chart I found. The NESCACs and comparable D3s he spoke with soph year were looking for the same. Maybe your 34 ACT score will allow a little leeway on grades. Is your 3.3 unweighted or weighted? If unweighted with a lot of AP and high honors classes it may be ok if the coach wants to really...
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My 2017 was at the same showcase, I think. How do you already know your velocity? Mine pitched too, and had some interest as well but no one said what he was at yesterday.
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The short answer is yes, however you still have a lot to prove to the coaches and the Admission Committee. Pitching is more than MPH and a good student is much better than an average GPA with a high ACT. The ivy & nescac coaches take their direction from the admissions committee. If I was an Ivy coach I'd have alot of questions about your academic work ethic or possibly the high school you went to. I understand there can be extenuating circumstances with ultra competitive high schools.
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I have heard and seen there is a chart the Ivy's use to evaluate athletes. It gives a score based on your GPA, SAT, ACT, class rank. I cannot remember what it is called. But basically if I remember correctly a "normal" Ivy student's # is around 215 or higher. They allow a certain amount of athletes 200-210, 190-200, 180-190 and I think the lowest they allow is a 172. But there are only 1 or 2 of those players. If anyone can post what this chart is called...?? Also, just an FYI - normal...
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The chart you are referring to is called the academic index. Google it for all the info you need. The old adage is that the higher the velo, the lower the acceptable academic credentials needed.
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Here's a link and a little write-up on the AI from Tucker Frawley, Yale's Associate Head Coach who handles recruiting. http://www.frawleybaseball.com...23a10cf21038318d665a
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Your velo has reached a level where an Ivy would be interested - but not close to the top of a recruiting class. Your ACT is fine. Your grades are the issue. For that to pass admissions, your HS better have an incredibly difficult curve, or have a narrative to explain the big difference between grades and scores. If you were the absolute top tier recruit (projected future Baseball America college all-star) for a school, the coach may be able to get you through admissions; otherwise probably...
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With your grades an IVY is a super stretch. Even if you were god's gift to baseball, it would still be a super stretch. Your test scores will help -- but not that much on their own. Pretty much same is true of NESCAC. There are lots of kids with significantly better grades and equally good or better test scores that get turned down by such schools. Plus you velo -- though about average for starters at competitive D3's is not STANDOUT velo. What's the rest of your story? Do you have a...