Tagged With "Grades"

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2018 Pounding the Pavement...

BaseballParent23 ·
This seems to be a dead thread. Maybe we can revive it a little for the 2018 class? My son was at a showcase last weekend and had a great time, a pretty good showing considering it's Florida and it was very cold and sprinkly/misty the whole time - the coldest of winter days for this neck of the woods. The showcase director spoke to the boys after each day and gave them the opportunity to shake hands with all of the scouts that were there and then they were able to speak to them, in their...
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2015 Northern Virginia HS Showcase Camp @ GMU

jmrw20 ·
2015 Northern Virginia HS Showcase Camp @ GMU Grades 9-12 Location: Raymond H. "Hap" Spuhler Field Saturday, September 5, 2015 to Sunday, September 6, 2015 Camp Cost: $250.00 Link: http://collegebaseballcamps.com/patriots If you have any questions...
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2015 Northern Virginia HS Showcase Camp @ GMU

jmrw20 ·
2015 Northern Virginia HS Showcase Camp @ GMU Grades 9-12 Location: Raymond H. "Hap" Spuhler Field Saturday, September 5, 2015 to Sunday, September 6, 2015 Camp Cost: $250.00 Link: http://collegebaseballcamps.com/patriots If you have any questions...
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Re: When a player's age does not match the average for their grad year

cabbagedad ·
Welcome to the site. Son was quite a bit younger. If you think about it, half of the kids trying to be recruited are younger than the average . Once you are shooting for college ball, you must be a very good player, regardless of whether younger or older than others in your class. He would be best advised to completely ignore that issue. The college recruiters don't care and neither should he. He is either a player or he isn't. He will either continue to work as hard as he can toward...
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2022NYC ·
My kid is a very young 2022. He uses his age as fuel to work harder. The college coaches he interacted with did not care about his age. There was a microsecond consideration to repeat 8th grade on his part, but once he was accepted to his preferred HS, that was a dead issue (mom would not have allowed him to repeat 8th grade). From a purely selfish perspective, my wife is annoyed he won't be able to drive himself to HS school, so she is his morning uber as it is on the way to her work.
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RJM ·
Thinking about age is a waste of time. It can only become an excuse. My son has a May birthday. He was also a physical late bloomer. Through high school he competed against some athletes in his class who were more than a year older. The summer after 7th grade he started playing travel ball grade appropriate rather than his age group. Starting with post freshman summer he played up another year. If a kid is young and you want to change the situation 8th grade should be repeated before high...
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Gunner Mack Jr. ·
So I took my son to a new pitching coach a few years ago, a D1 pitching coach. Great guy, motivator etc. He's talking to both of us on our first visit and I mention my son is young for his grade (September b-day - most 2020's on his travel team are a full year + older). The guy gently ripped me apart (i was paying so I didn't get it full force). He said he only cares about whether a kid can compete and that fathers of kids who are young for their grade almost always tell him that fact. So I...
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atlnon ·
My son is in the same boat. Late Sept bday. My wife and I moved him up a year entering grade school as we see that he can handle it academically and emotionally (and he is doing well as a freshman right now). We didn't even think about sports at that time, nor were we aware that people are doing the opposite (repeating a grade). So he has classmates that are 2 years older than he is right now. He is playing travel with his age group (not with his grade). I do find myself letting people know...
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Wechson ·
I'm going to go against the grain here and say it can absolutely make a difference. My oldest son, non baseball, ended up in D1 athletics but got a bite from just one school. If he had taken a year, there is little doubt he would have been a state placer or champion given the year progression he made in skill level, physical maturity, and mental maturity. That would have given him more suitors, and provided him with more choices. Not only was he a year younger, but he was a late bloomer...
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BishopLeftiesDad ·
My son had a early Sept birthday. Most kids in the class behind him were a year older. You guessed it they all started a year later. One year we had him play with his age instead of his grade in the Fall. And while it was fun for him, it really did not help that much. I would have rather he played with his grade, looking back and face tougher competition. Played with his grade or up the rest of his HS/Travel Career. So much can happen from 8th grade to graduation. Plus I cannot imagine...
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cabbagedad ·
Wech, no one is saying it can't make a difference. Most could argue that it would. But I don't think that was the OP's question and he doesn't say anything about possibly holding back a year. The points being made are.. 1. Once you are in the recruiting process, don't allow it to be an excuse. Every player will face many hurdles to jump. Will the player attack and fly over them or hesitate and get hung up? 2. Recruiters don't care. You either have the skill set they are looking for when they...
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Wechson ·
TOTALLY agree on point 1. No excuses ever, in sport or life. Would never bring that up at any point if I were an athlete or parent. For point 2, it only matters to recruiters in that they are seeing most likely a more physically mature athlete, which only helps them project. Walking my initial point back a bit, if I were to really have the chance to so it again I would have done it when he started school, not between middle school and HS. We debated it for a millisecond but elected against...
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cabbagedad ·
Yup, and agree I over-generalized on #2... that can be a factor.
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atlnon ·
To OP's original question though, do recruiters take the possibility that the kid is not physically as mature as other kids in his grade into consideration? For example, in looking at PG grades, they compare your metrics with other people in your grade, some of which could be 2 years older.
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Go44dad ·
It's individual to the recruiter/prospect. Here's another answer. Scout "Son, how tall are you?" Player "5'11" Scout "Nobody is 5'11". If I like you, you are 6'0". If I don't like you, you are 5'10"."
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Wechson ·
Bingo, exactly! It's all in the eye of the beholder. If you are skinny, and the RC doesn't like you, then you are deemed "undersized". If you are skinny and the RC takes a shine to you, then you are "projectable, with plenty of room to fill out".
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atlnon ·
Thanks! That's exactly the insight I'm looking for. And yes, my son is not only studying up a grade, but he is undersized even compared to people his age.
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Re: PG Grade/Top Prospect List Chances?

3and2Fastball ·
My guess based on your sixty time & exit velo as a SS is you will be given a 7 but that might be bumped up to a 7.5 based on the 82 across the infield. Would the 82 mph fastball and strong pitching performance bump you up to an 8? Maybe, I'll be interested to find out Here is the thing though: even if you get a 7 or 7.5, as a 2020 you have time to improve those measureables and get a higher score. Keep working on getting faster & stronger. What is your size? (Height & Weight?)
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Dingerswag1223 ·
I'm a primary pitcher, and I'm 6'0" 150 lbs. I was hoping that given I'm mostly a pitcher and nothing much else, they'd look past all that and focus on how I did pitching (I'm hoping that's an 8).
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3and2Fastball ·
The feedback you received on your pitching is a very very good sign. At 6'0" 150 they will look at you as having a "projectable body". Are you done growing or will you likely get taller still? Maybe you will get an 8. I hope when you find out you'll let us know as I'm genuinely interested in how they grade you. No matter what grade you get, just keep working and take care of that arm. You are just beginning the Fall of your Sophomore year, plenty of time for further development ahead.
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Dingerswag1223 ·
I am still growing, yes. I think I'm projected for 6'1" or 6'2", I can't really recall. I'm more like 6'0" and 1/4 as of now but I'm still growing bit by bit. Thank you so much, I'll keep you posted.
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CaCO3Girl ·
I have a 2020, the advice he is receiving is to play to his strengths in order to get to the next level. You are in 10th grade, do you truly see yourself as a 2 way player or are you a pitcher? 4 innings with 6 strikeouts, and having command of 3 pitches? It sounds like you are pitcher to me. What made you go in as a two way player?
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Dingerswag1223 ·
The answer I would give is that I'm still learning. Until last weekend I hadn't seen such a talented group of hitters and fielders compared to me, and as you say, it does look silly that I'd even go in as a 2-way player. I 100% agree with you. I now view this event as a reality check, and it does make sense that I should probably stick to pitching entirely. Thank you for your response and kind words!
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CaCO3Girl ·
I didn't mean to imply you looked silly, sorry if I made you feel that way. I have a son who swears he is an outfielder that can pitch. Every coach that has seen him pitch seems to forget that outfield bit and proclaim him a pitcher. We are all asking him to really examine what will get him to the next level. He's a good outfielder and hitter but, like you, he's an outstanding pitcher. That's what is going to get him up the ladder he wants to climb, so he needs to focus on that. Sounds like...
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Dingerswag1223 ·
Oh no, I didn't mean that you made feel silly at all. I legitimately feel that I made a silly move myself going in as a 2-way player now seeing all the talent I would have to beat and I was not trying to imply that you meant just that. If anything, your words were encouragement to go out there as a confident pitcher haha, so thank you for that! Good luck to your son as well.
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Branson Baseball ·
Hi Dinger, Sounds like you had a nice showing! I wouldn't focus too much on the rating or awards at this stage. But I really like the analysis as it gives you some sound feedback. My oldest did a PG event and was named a Top Prospect and a top 100 at his position nationally. It made him and us feel good and it was nice to share with college coaches nationwide. My youngest never did a PG event. Both my boys play in college. What I love about PG is the experienced, detailed feedback. They see...
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Dingerswag1223 ·
I'm really looking into going Ivy, any other high academic D1, or high academic D3. My grades are exceptional and I do a good amount of volunteering as well. I will be playing on a showcase team this fall, and one of the events they go to is at Brown University. I believe the exposure I will get will continue and improve as I get older. I also think I'm doing mostly all I can to put myself in the right position to achieve these goals. Thank you very much for your thoughts!
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Dingerswag1223 ·
Thank you to everyone who read and/or gave thought to this topic. I was just announced to the Mid Atlantic Underclass Top Prospect List!!!
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d-mac ·
Congrats Dingerswag. I've enjoyed reading this thread and wish you the best of luck moving forward. Keep us updated.
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Branson Baseball ·
Awesome!!!
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Go44dad ·
Please don't change your screen name! Here is same advice I have given other's that have posted in a similar spot. Work hard to get as athletic as you can and play hard! Sounds silly when I write it, but college coaches look for athlete's. An SEC coach told me he likes his pitchers to run a 7.0 or better 60. He said 10 of his 16 pitchers can do that. Good luck and thanks for posting. Keep us updated.
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StrainedOblique ·
Congrats on making the top prospect list. Keep up the good work in the classroom. Some unsolicited advice: If you're gonna pitch, there is no substitute for a good pitching coach. And if you're serious about college ball it's a must have. A great pitching coach will help you w/ mechanics, Core training , Exercises and most importantly arm care . As you grow and your velocity increases , your velocity numbers are going to determine what level of college ball you play at . For NCAA recruiting...
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c5tx ·
Congrats on your good showing and getting awarded Top Prospect!! My son was named a Top Prospect at his PG showcase. He is a primary pitcher....but did so well in OF and hitting...that put him over the top at that showcase. Funny...because he also gets pigeon-holed as a pitcher only. If your velocity increases a lot...go to another PG showcase right before the summer after your junior year if you have not committed anywhere. If your velocity has not increased, don't waste the money. We...
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SanDiegoRealist ·
I have to agree with Branson, don't worry about PG's number or the top prospect list. Here is why: 1) You received contact from colleges following your PG Showcase. You got this attention because coaches were in attendance and actually saw you. That is the value of Perfect Game. They get college coaches to the park because they attract players who want to play at the next level (and who can play - but many show up who cannot). 2) Nobody ever got offered a scholarship, or got drafted, based...
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Dingerswag1223 ·
Thank you everyone!! Learning more and more every minute.
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PGStaff ·
Some good points with the exception of #2. While it might take more than a grade, ranking or report in most every case... The truth is that "many" colleges subscribe to crosschecker where they do sort players by grade. They also pay very close attention to the rankings. Every player that has ever appeared in a good spot in the rankings or received a high grade knows how much interest it creates. Both with the colleges and the MLB scouts. We have had players recruited, even by highest level...
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3and2Fastball ·
The other thing a great PG grade can get you, which I haven't seen mentioned in this thread I believe, is invites to play for some of the very best Travel Teams such as the Houston Banditos or Evoshield Canes in the top tournaments. That is another avenue for the top flight players to get in front of not just scouts but the right scouts. Getting a "10" grade from PG can get you on almost any travel team without even needing to tryout. Even a "9" can open a ton of doors that were previously ...
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FFXfireman ·
I will personally attest to this. Some years back, my son attended his first PG showcase the end of August between his Freshman and Sophomore year. Did well, received Top Prospect List and Top Prospect Team and got graded a 9. Within a week, he had very respected travel teams hitting his e-mail box and phone to play with them. He ended up going to Ft. Myers with one of them that October and Atlanta the next July. Count me as a believer.
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SEC Hopeful ·
Just wondering how many people on this board would share if their player was offered a scholarship or drafted without ever meeting the coach or having him see your son play? Seems like something that is easy to say if you don't drop names, but nobody can confirm that. Anyone care to share if their kid was drafted or offered a scholarship sight unseen just based on PG or another coach's recommendation? Would also love to know which MLB team has that much faith to put all of their eggs in the...
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PGStaff ·
I don't think it is necessary to name names without their consent. I would hope reputation alone would be enough. There is nothing you will ever find that I have ever posted that is untrue. I would never take a chance on that. But just to prove a point, seeing you have indirectly accused me of stretching the truth... Roy Clark, at that time with the Washington Nationals, was the scouting exec that called. Usually these calls before the draft are more about what we might know about a certain...
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SEC Hopeful ·
I appreciate your willingness to name names, but you are saying these guys never laid eyes on these players before a draft of offering a scholarship? I just find that implausible that is the case. This is a kid that just a quick look at your website shows that he was on your national radar from June of 2011 at your junior nationals with a grade of ten. He was in two national games and two junior national showcases. What you are trying to get me to believe is that the Washington Nationals...
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FFXfireman ·
So, out of SEC Hopefuls 5 posts on this board in her 3 1/2 months here, 4 are attacking Perfect Game. All of the top college coaches I have spoken to along my sons recruitment recommend PG. Not all are fans of all of their events, but overall, they highly respect their scouting assessments, showcases, tournaments and website layout. I think I'll take their recommendation, thanks SECH.
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SEC Hopeful ·
and I think you are quite the defender of Perfect Game. Are you on the payroll? You sure seem to be willing to look past the revisionist history of that player that PG Staff seems to think was on nobody's radar before he got drafted just based on his recommendation because the National's scouting department was inept. That's essentially what he just called the entire Washington National's scouting department in 2011/2012. That slips right through.
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SanDiegoRealist ·
I just replaced my microwave, popcorn is on me!
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DesertDuck ·
Hey SEC...perhaps you should just: instead?
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Go44dad ·
I thought I opened up HSBBWEB, but I must have opened up twitter instead. I'm a PG supporter, if there is a payroll for us, can someone kindly send me the link?
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adbono ·
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SEC Hopeful ·
Nice, so none of you question the claims of Perfect Game? I still haven't heard anyone come on here and say their kid got a scholarship on their PG score alone? Why is the CEO of Perfect Game even on a chat room forum? Does he own this website? It sure would benefit him to have a forum like this to sway public opinion and perception of the value of Perfect Game in the recruiting of baseball players. I question that this is truly an open forum. I think we are all being duped. I bet a glass of...
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3and2Fastball ·
I know of an 8th Grader who received an SEC verbal commit just based on his showing at a PBR indoor Showcase (that and his travel team organization head speaking highly of him). Understand that a verbal commit is a huge accomplishment but means little until the NLI is signed. SEC HOPEFUL, this place is a tremendous resource with a ton of useful info. PG STAFF has been posting here for over a decade. There would be no reason for him to damage his reputation by posting lies or half truths. It...
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PGStaff ·
SEC HOPEFUL, You wanted names, against my better judgment I gave you names. I gave you the truth, sorry I forgot that Washington had a pick in the second round. If you look at the last report (below) we did on Drew Ward you will see he was listed as a 2014 grad. Not until very late did he reclassify for the 2014 draft and most scouts just didn't bear down on him as much as the actual draft class. The reason they called was because they knew we knew a lot about him. The phone call went...
 
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