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Headfirst? Stanford Camp? Unsure
There is so much experience here on these boards, I just wanted to see what people thought who have gone through the process before. My 2015 LHP has a 4.35 weighted and a 4.O unweighted GPA. He just took the SAT in January and...
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Stanford Camp v. Duke Camp, Summer 2018
Hello! My 2020 attended both the Stanford All Star Camp and the Duke University Elite Camp this summer. I just wanted to write a little bit about each camp and his experience there, based on what I saw and my conversations with my son. TL;DR version? The Stanford experience was better. I have previously written a little bit about Stanford so I may rehash a little bit here. One note - although he attended the camp to get "exposure", at this point I have no real expectation that my son will...
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Stanford 1 vs Stanford 2?
Pretty obvious why folks prefer Stanford 1 and why it's already (mostly) booked up. It's residential, more talks and activities, meals - just a more complete college baseball camp experience for the kid, and for not that much more money. But is there any benefit to attending Stanford 2 instead? Fewer kids? Different coaches?
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2018 Stanford All-Star Camps - SS Already Waitlisted 1.3.2018
Not sure if any of you are looking at the Stanford Summer Camps for your players. I noticed via Twitter the link and SS is already waitlisted for the 4 All-Star Camp dates.... the link is below. http://www.stanfordbaseballcamp.com/ (Edited...felt like I was a marketing rep for the camp... intended only as an fyi for those interested, this camp always sells out fast. There are plenty of observations about this camp, please use the SEARCH button to view past comments and experiences)
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Re: Stanford Camp v. Duke Camp, Summer 2018
I think the coach to player ratio was OK at Duke. It wasn't something I was actively thinking about at the time, but I did follow the groups around as they moved through their drill stations and it did seem like there were a lot of kids in each group. Not sure how many coaches. I traveled to Duke with my son and had nothing to do so I watched almost everything there. We live about an hour and change away from Stanford so I really only there for the games and didn't really monitor the...
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Re: Stanford Camp v. Duke Camp, Summer 2018
What a great, detailed summary of the camps! My two cents: The two camps are different animals. Stanford camp is a place where lots of high academic and other D1 coaches participate as coaches for the player teams for the purpose of recruiting, while unless I am mistaken, the Duke camp is staffed by Duke coaches only. My son went to Duke, and the then Duke coaching staff first saw him at the Stanford Camp. Interestingly, they did not approach him at the camp - only coaches that are...
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Re: Stanford Camp v. Duke Camp, Summer 2018
Please let us know your thoughts on the Duke camp this year!
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Re: Stanford Camp v. Duke Camp, Summer 2018
Bumping this as my son just returned from the three day Duke summer prospect camp. A caveat - I didn't go with him so the impressions below are gathered from him. He enjoyed the camp and compared it favorably to Stanford. He thought the talent levels were similarand the instruction was good. The studs at Duke compared very favorably to the top kids at Stanford camp. At the bottom end talent seemed a little thinner at Duke. Big group - 150 kids, mostly drawn from the south. Heavy on 21s with...
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Re: Stanford 1 vs Stanford 2?
Stanford 1 is better for all the reasons you stated, plus it is at the beginning of the recruiting push for rising seniors. All Star 2 has lesser coaches and half the players. You will get much better personal attention in the instruction drills and training stations. You will also have less locations for the coaches to be at scouting the games. All star 1 is at Stanford, Palo Alto HS and Canada college. Canada is a cool site but it is pretty far away. All Star 2 will have games at Stanford...
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Re: Stanford 1 vs Stanford 2?
Thanks, Sunwalking, good info there. When you say lesser coaches I assume you mean fewer in number, not lesser as in less prestigious programs or lesser as in coaches lower on their school's hierarchy?
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Re: Stanford 1 vs Stanford 2?
I think he means they're not as manly. Seriously, though, I wrestled with this too. We decided on #1 because we were more certain that the coaches he wants to be seen by will be there. The college experience was less important. I do think #1 is too big. But I've heard it works anyway. I think the trick may be in making sure you make solid connections with coaches before you go. I hope I'm right.
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Re: Stanford 1 vs Stanford 2?
Smoke, I signed my son up for #2 because #1 was full up for MIF. But he's on the wait list for #1, probably very near the top, so I want to be able to decide quickly what to do if a slot opens up. Hopefully by the time that happens, if it does, there will be a list out, so that could factor into it, as well as the rest of his summer schedule.
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Re: Stanford 1 vs Stanford 2?
When I said lesser, my grammar was incorrect. There will be less coaches. Check prior posts of smoke and myself for an actual lists of coaches. One thing you will notice about Stanford's list of coaches is that the coaches making decisions are the ones in attendance. HC, RC, and pitching coaches. Contact schools of interest ahead of time, and continue your relationship.
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Re: Stanford 1 vs Stanford 2?
My 2016 son had a great experience at Stanford 2 as a rising Junior. I don't think there is much step down in quality, unless one values the talks and being able to stay in dorms, etc. Those things didn't matter to my son; he was focused more on the coaches and the exposure. Definitely fewer players, but he was able to throw on a Sat evening at Stanford with at least 6 Ivy decision makers in the crowd, one of whom was his coach....in addition to Wake and many other high academic D1s. He...
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Re: Stanford 1 vs Stanford 2?
Just received an email from Stanford AC - Camp Director with a list of colleges who will attend Stanford's camps this summer. Not sure who else saw this, there are spots left in the July All-Star Camp II. We were slow to sign up, waited till Jan 5th and all MIF's spots were filled. My 2018 is waitlisted for All-Star Camp I, but signed up for All-Star Camp II. I've heard terrific things about the camp, although we're a bit dismayed with the significantly reduced number of colleges attending...
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Re: Headfirst? Stanford Camp? Unsure
Academics first....how has your son's search turned out if you don't mind my asking?
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Re: Headfirst? Stanford Camp? Unsure
My son had a very similar issue. He was a low 70's rhp late in his sophomore year. He went to throwing experts: Texas Baseball Ranch, AZ Baseball Ranch, and 212 Athlete to overcome his throwing issues, and develop a throw-training program that he could continue to work on. In 16 months his velo increased 12-14 mph. This is where I would put your money. Build the velo, then build the relationships one-by-one with the college coaches, at the schools that he is interested in. He attended...
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Re: Headfirst? Stanford Camp? Unsure
Your son has a great academic record! He's a fit academically for many, many schools...easily. Both Headfirst and Stanford have an extensive number of D1 and D3 academic schools. Either (or both) camps are a fit academically from my experience with our 2012 and this year with our 2016. Go to the camps/showcases where his schools are attending. Likely both of these camps could fit if his list is a national list of top D1 and D3 academic schools. The primary challenge I see based on your post...
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Re: Headfirst? Stanford Camp? Unsure
Thanks Branson....yeah, that is what I was afraid of. Not sure it would be worth the $1k to send him to HeadFirst if he's still under 80mph. Wouldn't do a lot of good to spend that kind of money if he won't draw any Interest. Maybe just pick a few individual college camps and go to them. I think 78mph and 155-160 is a possibility by summer, but not sure if that wld spur any interest from schools like Tufts, Emory, or Liberal Arts schools like Haverford, Amherst or Middlebury, etc. i was even...
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Re: Headfirst? Stanford Camp? Unsure
The Stanford camp is not only about being seen and getting on the radar, but it is a learning experience about what college baseball is all about, living in a dorm, etc. For the value I would recommend Stanford over Headfirst. You can do a search here and see all kinds of information on both of them. I would also look into the Academic Game at the Arizona Fall Classic. He may not make the team but just trying out and getting on their list will get him exposure. You are actually in a great...
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Re: Headfirst? Stanford Camp? Unsure
Here is the D3 map. I believe there is a more better one than this. BishopLeftysdad would have it. Gives you a good visual on where the schools are. https://maps.google.com/maps/m...b3b44&dg=feature
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Re: Headfirst? Stanford Camp? Unsure
I am going to come at this pretty directly. While I am a huge fan of the Stanford Camp, I would be concerned that, with its size and your son's velocity, he could get lost. On the schools listed, it seems unlikely to me that most of them are a baseball fit. CLU, P-P, Emory, Tufts, etc. and baseball for your son, at this level, seems remote. However, as BOF noted, there are top academic schools which most of us in CA. would be accused of calling fly over schools to get from our coast to the...
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Re: Headfirst? Stanford Camp? Unsure
Well said infieldad.....well said. I believe that is golden advice. I would attend the event that your son has the best chance to stand-out, and I don't think that is the Stanford camp. HeadFirst is more focused on traditional D3 schools. In the long run, he'll have some academic options but it would be nice to expand that universe and add some baseball in the mix as well. In addition, for some of the elite academic schools with low admissions rates your son will want beyond 1900. He needs a...
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Re: Headfirst? Stanford Camp? Unsure
AcademicsFirst, I would have your son do some research on the LHPs who are currently getting innings at the DIIIs he's interested in. Some will have Perfect Game profiles with their high school ht/wt and velocity numbers. He might even find some guys who have numbers similar to his. Of course, he'll have to dig a little deeper to find out how those guys have progressed since high school, but it will give him some context. His expectations of playing time are also a factor. His academics...
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Be aware that many D3 academics carry large rosters and/or JV teams. Tuition is typically expensive and many coaches aren't shy about encouraging lots of academically qualified kids to attend their school and try out for the program even if they are only marginally qualified from a baseball standpoint. If getting playing time is important to your son, make sure he has detailed discussions with each coach as to what his realistic chances are.
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Re: Headfirst? Stanford Camp? Unsure
There is such a wealth of information here. Great stuff guys. Infielddad's advice is spot on. The other thing to consider is the schools pitching program. My son's program routinely takes marginal D1 kids and develop's them into draft picks. What a lot of people may not see is that it also takes borderline D3 kids and develops them into solid contributors.You get that in D3 ball because of the larger rosters. They get there of course by their own hard work, which is in the weight room,...
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Re: Headfirst? Stanford Camp? Unsure
Thanks everyone...I knew I would get some great advice on here. The baseball team has a strength coach that works with them...as for his mechanics, he works out with a private coach and usually attends most of Jaegers camps. Bottom line is if he gets admitted to a school like UCLA, Hopkins, or Georgetown, he will probably go...and will just attempt to walk-on so he has some closure in his own mind. I don't see him deciding to go to some no-name school just for baseball. He has worked hard to...
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AF, at the time our son got recruited, the D3 program was an absolutely "no name" to us and most everyone in his school It was also a "no name" to what turned out to be his roommate, recruited from Northridge. Our son went on to be drafted from the D3. His roommate is now with the FBI. The school's baseball program is now the top ranked program in D3, thanks in part to the contribution of BOF's son.. I think I understand what you might have meant about name recognition but it is also the...
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Re: Headfirst? Stanford Camp? Unsure
AF - Go attend an Oxy and/or CMS game, take a look at the lefty pitchers, hopefully someone will be in the stands with a good radar gun. You might be very surprised at the true velocities....sub 80 MPH for lefties is not uncommon. There are very successful LHP in the Northwest Conference, even guys who made the All Conference team, who top out in games maybe at 81 - 82. The key is great location, movement, changing speeds, and maybe a funky delivery/arm slot. Good luck and keep at it!!
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Re: Headfirst? Stanford Camp? Unsure
Definitely no disrespect meant Infield. Yes, I probably get too caught up in the rankings myself and only think of the big names, I myself graduated from Northridge, so I know it's not all about the name. its just so much to think about. We were at OU this summer visiting my dad and went on a tour. He can get $8k/yr in merit aid which would make OU cheaper than going in-state, but as much as I love Norman, he wouldn't play baseball at that level and part of me would like to see him strive...
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Re: Headfirst? Stanford Camp? Unsure
UCDavis is a great school, and is at the bottom of the BigWest, however they are recruiting as high a level D1 player they can find. Infielddad knows as much about the program as any since his son coached there. I would not waste too much time considering them from a baseball, perspective. His target schools should be based on what major he is interested in, what you describe could be a number of the Maryland area schools, Washington College leading the pack. Fenwaysouth and some others...
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And BOF's post brings up another consideration... college club baseball. Schools such as Stanford, Cal Poly, Davis, UCSB, St Mary's, Cal, UCSD have club teams. This may be a great option if he has a challenging major and one of those schools happens to be a fit. http://www.clubbaseball.org/Teams.aspx
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Re: Stanford Camp v. Duke Camp, Summer 2018
Great info. Thanks for taking the time to post it.
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Re: Stanford Camp v. Duke Camp, Summer 2018
Thank you for sharing. Our son may do these camps next summer, so this information is very helpful. Thank you for taking the time to share your reflections.
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Re: Stanford Camp v. Duke Camp, Summer 2018
Thanks for the info and for the detailed post. I enjoyed reading about the two camps.
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Re: Stanford Camp v. Duke Camp, Summer 2018
Thanks for the detailed review! My son (2020) has attended the Stanford camp two summers in a row. We have found the quality of the program to be top notch and he's had an awesome experience. He will be attending Head First in Arizona in the fall, however that may not be as comparable as it is shorter and they do not stay on campus. We have heard that interaction with coaches is very good at Head First and since he will be in his recruiting "contact period", that will be interesting...
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Re: Stanford Camp v. Duke Camp, Summer 2018
I think they are two entirely different things. I think that while Stanford is a camp that teaches and showcases talent to the coaches that are there, Head First will be more of a traditional showcase - not so much teaching but rather measuring skills and showcasing talent with no teaching or instruction going on. While I don't think Stanford will make its reviews or evaluations available to any outsider, Head First will make their numbers available to any coach that asks for it (possible...
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Re: Stanford Camp v. Duke Camp, Summer 2018
My son attended the Stanford camp 20 years ago and it was a fantastic experience. He was a D1 quality player with a 4.3 GPA. Even back then the competition and quality of instruction at this camp was outstanding. My son did very well at the camp and was recruited by several high academic schools based on his performance at the camp. So the coaches that attended this camp actually are looking for prospects.
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Re: Stanford Camp v. Duke Camp, Summer 2018
Thanks for the review Norcalbbdad. We are planning to attend one of the Duke Prospect camps and Duke is much closer for us. Even though you preferred the Stanford camp, was the coach to player ratio decent at the Duke camp?
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Re: Stanford Camp v. Duke Camp, Summer 2018
My '22 just did a Stanford Holiday 80 camp for pitchers and catchers. Instructional focus, capped at 80 players (hence the name). Two 5-6 hr sessions, well run with good coach and player interaction, and terrific instruction. Offense was 3-4 guys at a station with a coach or player present (mix of Stanford and local schools). Good option for those on the west coast. Mostly 20s and 21s, as one might expect. Despite my avatar, I was quite impressed We are planning to do Duke next summer.
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Re: 2018 Stanford All-Star Camps - SS Already Waitlisted 1.3.2018
And the price is up to $1,100!
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Re: 2018 Stanford All-Star Camps - SS Already Waitlisted 1.3.2018
+200 over 2016 price I think
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Re: 2018 Stanford All-Star Camps - SS Already Waitlisted 1.3.2018
Over 20% price increase and SS already waitlisted at all 4 camps?! That's nuts.
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Re: 2018 Stanford All-Star Camps - SS Already Waitlisted 1.3.2018
I've posted numerous times over the last few years re: Stanford Camp, so I won't re-hash all the info here. IMHO, the camp is not worth it for the vast majority of kids in comparison to other showcases/camps.
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Re: 2018 Stanford All-Star Camps - SS Already Waitlisted 1.3.2018
wow, I think it was $595 when my last son did it. Having gone through this once before, I am not sure $1,100 is worth it. All it really did was generate a whole bunch of other camp emails from other schools. All his opportunities came from either the AZ Fall Classics or old fashion email/video then follow-up. In the end, he received his current scholarship from emailing video with verified velo to coaches. And no, he is not one of those 94-95 mph guys.
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Re: 2018 Stanford All-Star Camps - SS Already Waitlisted 1.3.2018
Stanford fills up fast . Always has. But keep in mind, Stanford is the Gold Standard for Academic Camp. They wrote the book. My son did it and had a great experience and it really kicked off his recruiting . Too many times parents try to go with the less expensive camps. I know i did!. But the truth is it's a waste of money. My son now plays at a high academic D1 in the South . I spent a lot of money and made plenty of mistakes during his recruiting cycle. If I had a do over, there would...
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Re: 2018 Stanford All-Star Camps - SS Already Waitlisted 1.3.2018
With all due respect I feel that Head First is now #1 on that list and Stanford 2 or 3.
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Re: 2018 Stanford All-Star Camps - SS Already Waitlisted 1.3.2018
Stanford and AZ Classic have more D1's than D3's attending, and the D1's aren't all high academic. Headfirst and Showball have Ivy's, Patriot, few other D1's, but I bet 60% of the college coaches attending are from high academic D3's. (Headfirst and Showball also have different formats.) Knowing your son's academic strengths, career interests, and playing capabilities and projectability will help guide you to which camps would make sense. Objective baseball assessments by club coaches,...