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D1 Recruiting Rule Changes

JeffnNYC ·
Anyone care to weigh in on the changes to D1 baseball recruiting that were adopted last week? Here's an overview of the proposals if you missed it: https://d1baseball.com/features/division-council-adopts-baseball-changes/ It's interesting to me that the article leads with the change to official visit policy. Tell me if I'm wrong, but coaches don't like this because they will end up having to spend more money to bring their recruiting targets to campus during their junior year whereas under...
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Advice ASAP with D1 offer

LetItGo ·
Been anxiously awaiting the "approval" to post because my son received a very generous offer from a D1 school last night and he was told he only has a few weeks to respond. Some background - he is a 2020 grad, RHP 6'3" 200 lbs., smart kid. He also happens to be a strong QB and because of football, he doesn't have the camp or showcase exposure. He goes to a very small, private school and aspires to go out of state for college. The D1 offer is in state. As luck would have it, a game was...
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2020 with injury

Jam24 ·
Hi, I am a first-time poster though I regularly read the advice on this forum. So thanks in advance for any advice you can provide. My son is a RHP who last year (summer/fall of 2017) after his freshman year received numerous offers, including a full ride offer from a Pac12 school. He felt very much like he wanted to keep looking because he didn't know what he wanted (and the Pac12 school is in our hometown and he wants to go away for school). Anyway, fast forward to this year and he...
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What is parents role after an offer is made?

lhiob ·
What is a reasonable time to evaluate an offer? What if an offer comes after a camp or showcase but without an "official" visit? Is it reasonable to request an official visit? What is the role of parent here? Should all contact be through HS/Club coach and son or is it appropriate for me to want to meet the coach and ask questions about the program myself directly before accepting an offer?
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Re: D1 Recruiting Rule Changes

TPM ·
See topic "NCAA announce re fruiting rule changes" already in discussion.
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JeffnNYC ·
Thanks, and sorry to have missed it.
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Re: 2020 with injury

hshuler ·
Jam - Has any doctor been able to figure out the source of the problem? That needs to be the first order of business if he going to continue pitching. The word may be out that he has an injury and RC’s now want to see if he will be and can remain healthy going forward. Best wishes on a full and speedy recovery to your young man. I hope that it all works out in the end.
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bandera ·
If they 've pulled their attention, do you really think they would have sent a NLI on signing day? You would have had false security. Verbals are not binding. Worse case kid attends fall and gets cut. Lost a year of eligibility.
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hshuler ·
I started to add something similar to my post. I really don’t think that you hedged and lost. It’s likely that, as Bandera stated, no school would have honored the offer IF he’s not healthy. The good news is that IF he can get healthy and return to form, the interest from schools should return.
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PitchingFan ·
You still have time. If doctors say he has a good chance of getting better, then do what they say. If they made offers and he was good enough as a freshman to get attention it will be there if he gets back healthy.
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3and2Fastball ·
JAM24 - I greatly sympathize with your son's situation. If he was good enough to get P5 offers early, he'll get them later, too, if he can get healthy. The key is getting back to 100%. You definitely should take him to somebody who is an expert in shoulders and throwing injuries.
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Jam24 ·
That’s a good question about whether there is a specific mechanical or physiological cause. I don’t know but we have a good doctor and can ask that question. Thanks for your comments and good wishes.
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Jam24 ·
Thanks for the replies. To Bandera and HShuler, you make a good point. It’s possible schools would have dropped him but I do See schools stick with an injured player sometimes (maybe see what happens the following year). Certainly if he doesn’t heal and improve it wouldn’t have worked out either way.
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Nuke83 ·
Have you been to an orthopedist at all? From your response above, it doesn't sound like it, which is a bit surprising given the potential your son has shown to have gained high interest early and that fact that he missed his entire HS season. As others have stated already, seek some serious medical opinion, but you need to look beyond the family doctor (and apologies if you have, but your post above just mentions "a good doctor") and seek out an orthopedist that has some specialty in sports...
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Jam24 ·
Nuke83 - thanks for your concern. we have been to an ortho. Had MRIs and know specifically what the injury is. But we haven’t asked if there is something he is doing - mechanically - that is causing it. Would need to sync up dr. /PT/ coach for that I guess.
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TheRightScuff ·
I'm starting to think that the early commit pressure high school kids and their parents feel applies more to position players than to pitchers. Colleges never stop looking to add the right pitcher it seems. So I worry less about slots being filled as a pitcher. My 2020 LHP is in a somewhat similar situation where he picked up some elbow tightness this summer. No structural damage, but no real urgency to push it as a 2020 in the fall of his junior year... so he's going to rest it. Just want...
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CTbballDad ·
Spot on, especially for LHP. You're smart to take the fall off. Let him rest and get into the gym to build strength.
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Re: What is parents role after an offer is made?

joes87 ·
It is appropriate for you to want to meet the coach and ask questions...to an extent. The baseball related questions and questions about the program should be asked by your son. It would be appropriate for you to sit in on this discussion and ask any questions not answered. It is 100% acceptable for you to ask questions related directly to the offer and the financial side of the offer as you are paying for school. IMO no offer should be accepted without a visit to the school. Official or...
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Smitty28 ·
If you ignore the baseball part, how would you handle your kid saying I want to go to school X? You'd probably want to be ok with that decision - academics, social, financial, etc. So I would certainly want to visit with son and make sure it was the right place for him. Regarding the baseball side, once my son established a relationship with the coach he handled all communication and kept us and his travel & HS coaches informed. When things looked like an offer was coming from a school...
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fenwaysouth ·
What is a reasonable time to evaluate an offer? - Reasonable should be spelled out by the offeror. I've seen offers with no time limit, and I've seen 72 hour offers. It depends. What if an offer comes after a camp or showcase but without an "official" visit? Is it reasonable to request an official visit? - It is more than reasonable to request an official or unofficial visit depending on the date, time line, and availability of official visit slots. Unofficial visits are more likely since...
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baseballhs ·
I think it is very reasonable to talk to the coach. It is also reasonable to have a visit. The tricky part is age. If your son is young, it may not be an athletic visit, but your son should see the school. A lot of programs have developed work around a so you can see the facilities as well. Two of the coaches that offered my son over the phone asked to set up a call to talk to us. I think it makes everyone more comfortable to know you are all on the same page.
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lhiob ·
Thank you. It was the schools own camp so he has met the whole staff including head coach, and he did a self tour of the campus as there were no official tours being held. Any financial offer would be academic as we were informed prior to attending camp that all 2019 scholarship money has been allocated but it is a school he would like to play at and would be happy to attend even if he didn't get to play ball. Just wasn't sure what my role was in the process. Don't want to over step and give...
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PitchingFan ·
My middle son committed to a school he had never attended. (I don't recommend it) It was a military school and he had no clue what he was committing to but was positive that was where he wanted to be. His travel catcher was going there and the coaches recruited him hard and heavy. He did tell my youngest that he would not let him go there under any circumstances and that had nothing to do with baseball and all to do with the way the school was run and his bad experience. With my youngest...
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GaryMe ·
Fenway, I love the "backseat voice of reason." - that is perfect. Reasonable time to evaluate offer? Easy one, if it's where he wants to go to school and play ball, a quick answer is fine. If you need to mull it over or are making a decision on multiple offers, my opinion is 30 days is reasonable because those coaches are going to need to fill that slot with a guy as high as they can get on their board. Time is money...and it also depends on where you are in the recruiting cycle. D1s want to...
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joes87 ·
There was a discussion about this a while back. Most offers are made in dollar amounts not percentages. I know when I ran track in college back in the 80s/90s everything was discussed in terms of dollars, I don't ever recall talking to a coach, or a teammate about percentages. I think most folks convert dollars to percentages just to make the conversations to others easier as well as mask the actual amount
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Go44dad ·
My 2 cents, what I did. Look at the financial side of the offer, look at the financial risk* of the offer, look for red flags. Then tell son the school qualifies with me or not. Then talk son through the decision making process. Pro's / con's of this school, P / C of accepting offer, countering offer, waiting for other offers, possibly going to a JUCO or just waiting. Talk through the whole list of things I learned from this board, reading other materials and talking to others. Coaching...
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PABaseball ·
To answer the original questions. Yes. You should meet with the coach and go on the school tours. Let son arrange the visit itself but once you're there feel free to ask questions about the school and the program. But try to let the kid do the talking. See if the school is fully funded and see what the scholarship covers. Is it tuition, tuition/board, tuition/board/books/etc? I also wouldn't ask for an official visit as they are reserved for committed seniors right before signing day As for...
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baseballhs ·
My son's offers were all percentages. One coach even mentioned that the cost goes up almost every year and guessed what tuition might be when my son got there, and he told us what percentage they would pay. I'm also surprised that a week seems reasonable to some. Unless it was your dream school, it is a big decision. A week is pretty fast and I wouldn't think a school would ask a kid to decide that quickly, but maybe I'm wrong.
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PABaseball ·
I was talking about it from the coach's perspective. A week or two is more than reasonable. If they told us we needed an answer right then we would've walked. If it takes longer than a couple weeks they can probably assume you're still hunting for a better offer. In 2019s case the schools that knew they were reaching in terms of the talent gave him all the time he needed. But the higher profile schools said 7-10 days or we're going to offer the next in line. Wanted him sure, but they could...
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PitchingFan ·
Middle son got 24 hours at his #1. Couldn't afford it. They told him they had 5 guys for one spot left and he was #1 but there were 4 others. Hardest thing to say no to. Youngest son had no pressure until the end of the summer and coach just asked how much more time he needed. Was given 2 months. I had a friend's son who was at WWBA and his #1 school, P5, made him offer and gave him until the end of the day. RC said you were our #3 guy before that outing and now we want to make you X offer.
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K9 ·
So my 2020 just received an offer from a school on his short list. We plan on accepting. I know that this is non-binding until he can sign an NLI, so will anything be put into writing before that? Would it be appropriate for me to send an email summarizing my understanding? (I've found that applying common business practices to the baseball world doesn't always work.)
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baseballhs ·
I don’t know that you will get that, I think it is appropriate to ask for a phone call with the coach to go over things but I don’t know that you’ll get anything in writing. We never saw anything in writing
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Qhead ·
With my daughter's volleyball offer we did not put anything in writing before the NLI arrived. I would have liked to of course, but it didn't "feel" right - if you know what I mean? So we just waited in good faith for the NLI, and it was consistent with the verbal offer. An email may not be perceived in the way intended and probably is out of the ordinary. On its face it seems very legitimate, fair and reasonable, but it just may not be received well by the Coach b/c it is out of the...
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Picked Off ·
It is my understanding that nothing gets put in writing until NLI and the financial agreement. Email is in writing and most likely will result in nothing written. If a coach offers, and all things stay the same, most follow through for the NLI & FA.
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RJM ·
I believe this is where a lot of kids go wrong. Getting an offer and accepting is just an opportunity. The challenge is still on and it gets harder. It’s harder for the player to prove he belongs in the program than it is to get the offer. Half the players each year fail to prove they belong in the program.
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Coach_May ·
Some great responses in my opinion. Love Fenways comments and RJ it the nail on the head in his last post concerning that issue. Every situation is different. A reasonable time frame is what the coaching staff decides is reasonable to them. In some cases you may have a lot of time to decide. In other cases it needs to be made rather quickly. This all depends on what the coaching staff needs to do. If your son is a guy they feel they really have to have that time frame may be extended a great...
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Re: Advice ASAP with D1 offer

baseballhs ·
How hard does he throw? Was he seen last summer? Does he like the school? Is your son talking to other D1 schools? How seriously?
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LetItGo ·
As far as I know, last time he was clocked was last summer at 85. But I have to say, since the he has grown 2 inches and 30 lbs. He hasn't been clocked since. Only opportunity he had last summer was a few local travel tournaments where he was asked to "guest play." He doesn't necessarily want to go to the school because it is too close to home (hope that doesn't say anything about me!!)
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LetItGo ·
And as far as talking to other D1 schools - not really. Been receiving the standard camp invites and such, but none are as aggressive as the school that made the offer.
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baseballhs ·
It’s really hard to say. I think a lot of the premiere program’s recruit pitchers first, so there have all ready been a lot of right-handed pitchers committed to programs. What criteria is he looking for outside of not in his state? What prompted the offer yesterday? How many right-handed pitchers have they committed for the 2020 class? If it were me, I think I would get him in front of a gun in the next week to see what your working with. If he’s made huge gains you are safer was not taking...
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cabbagedad ·
Welcome to the site. There is so much to address in your post and only two weeks to do so . Be aware that you can search threads here and find a ton of info for any recruiting question. Congrats to him on the offer! Answers to most of your questions require more questions. Why does he aspire to go out of state? Is that a dream with depth, something that has been researched? Or is it more superficial - wants to get away from home, admires the power 5 schools he sees on TV for the CWS, etc.?
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LetItGo ·
That's just my point, he WAS seen by this school's head coach (when he was a freshman for that matter). I think he has a great deal of faith in his ability and potential I suppose? The coach asked us to visit a few weeks back - we did and he formalized the offer last night. My biggest worry at this point is having him throw when he has only been throwing a football for the past few months! I am not even sure a couple of weeks with him throwing every night will get him warm enough for Nov.
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baseballhs ·
I would not. If he doesn’t want to go to the school that made the offer, the answer is easy. That said, there are no guarantees on another D1 offer. That is VERY odd that a coach would make an offer when he hadn’t seen a kid throw for two years.
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cabbagedad ·
IMO, yes, definitely risky and, as I said, risky from both a performance and safety standpoint. As I'm sure you know, ramping back up for a pitcher who hasn't thrown in a few months is typically a few month process... throw short, stretch out, flat ground, pens FB only, mix off speed, get sharp, build velo back up, etc. Shortcuts to this process are dangerous. Your worry in regards to doing a showcase in two weeks are warranted. To magnify concerns, pitching in showcase environment typically...
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LetItGo ·
Good points CabbageDad - and I think his wanting to go out of state are just to get away from home and relish in the glory of a "cool" D1 school. I don't think many 17 yr. old athletes have the ability to look at academics when it's the sports enticing them. I obviously want him to get a great education first and foremost....let's face it, how many go to the MLB? I just want to give him the exposure without hurting his opportunity.
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LetItGo ·
I appreciate the advice both of you have provided. NOTHING is worth my son getting hurt over! I suppose he is so excited (because of the generous offer) and it just makes me wonder if more schools see him, would that make a difference. Oh, to be a parent. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.
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cabbagedad ·
I think it will be helpful to you both if you really drill down on a specific recruiting plan and target school list with more definitive rationale. Part of the process, one of many steps is gaining a good understanding of the realistic issues and costs regarding the in-state/out-of-state thing as previously mentioned. Perhaps he can just share with the D1 offer school that he wasn't prepared to make a decision in that timeframe and ask for a bit more time. Meanwhile, also compile a list of...
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Gov ·
Concur with above comments. GPA/ACT? trying to gauge where he is... you will always be able to leverage having a D1 offer for other opportunities. If he is a strong student, Ivy's like to recruit kids who have D1 offers. Totally agree with the physical risk involved here. If baseball doesn't work out, your son has to like the school (whether in state or out of state)
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LetItGo ·
I also believe a big unknown is where my son stacks up against the rest - and yes, I know this is the 25 million dollar question. That is why I like the idea of getting him to a top notch showcase, so if anything, he can get hit with a little bit of reality. So, with that being said, any particular showcase/camp/tryout you guys would recommend?
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PitchingFan ·
I assume you live Delaware. Where is he wanting to go statewise (south, 2 hours away, west coast) I assume he aspires to play D1. There is always the risk of bird in the hand versus the one that might fly by. It is a risk for all of us but when you get the offer with a time attached it becomes very ramped up. If it is a place he could not see himself being happy then the answer is clear. If he just had not considered them, then maybe more looking into what they have to offer. If it is level...
 
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