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2020 just wants to pitch.......

LuvMyKids ·
Hello everyone, Been lurking for a while and just got up the nerve to ask for some advice. To give you a little background, I have a 2020 that started playing baseball about 3 years ago. At the time he was the chubby kid, not much talent but if he wanted it, his mom and I were going to support him. He was about 5'6" and weighed 200. He is an A student as well. He had never pitched before and because of his age during the upcoming season he was expected to pitch. We decided to seek out a...
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PWPW ·
Another thing to think about is how much kids mentally and physically change from middle school to their senior year. It sounds like he has just gone through puberty with the way you described his body changing. Usually it takes a good year or so for a kids hand eye coordination to catch up to his new body. Hitting has a lot to do with hand eye coordination. I would give it a few more years and see how he develops at both pitching and hitting.
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Golfman25 ·
Actually, he is at the age when teams start to look to add players who are "pitcher only." But he better like sitting around a lot. Depending on circumstances he may only get one game for a typical tournament week end.
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LuvMyKids ·
Yes.... This is something we need to discuss.
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TPM ·
JMO but from my experience players should not be pitcher only until they reach varsity in HS. Why the rush? Mine was one of the top middle school pitchers entering HS. He passed up most of his freshman year to play varsity and remained as a utility guy. When not pitching he played other positions. But during summer after that year he was a pitcher only on any travel team and HS team until senior year.
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LivingtheDream ·
At 12 or so my son thought he would like to be a PO. He wasn't having the success batting that he wanted and was frustrated. But, his team had 11 players so a PO wasn't an option(and we wouldn't have supported it at 12 anyway). So, he worked on his batting and by freshman year he had a pretty good bat. Now he is a sophomore playing varsity as a primary pitcher but will also play in the field as well. Because his bat is too good to put on the bench. Do you think his desire to PO is in any way...
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TPM ·
The OP explained he plays other positions but loves to pitch and wants to be a PO. Should he be? No. JMO
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Go44dad ·
This is what I have seen. At his age, a lot of travel teams want PO's, or kids who mostly pitch, but the orgs themselves do not work pitchers in practice like they are pitchers only. The put them through positional fielding and batting practice. If a PO, pitcher specific conditioning, bullpens, long toss, pitcher drills come outside of the org's practice. So just something to consider in how your son's travel team is set up.
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baseballmom ·
I remember these words of wisdom..."there's only so many bullets in the holster". Since your son has seen such good progress with a pitching coach, have you considered that he may have the same or better success with a hitting coach? He's average now (as are most 14 yr olds)...a few hitting lessons could take him to above...or exceptional...or...? And, there's not quite the risk of overuse/injury/pressure. And, playing multiple positions, developing as a hitter...provides more options in...
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TPM ·
Great advice coming from another pitcher's mom.
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joes87 ·
Im of the mindset that he should continue as a two way player at this point. Things may change once he makes the V team at HS but until then leave all your options open. I am going to use my 2017 as an example... Up until this past off season he was a 2 way player. P, IB and some OF. Going into the off season his HS coach mentioned that next (this just started) season he most likely would be primarily a P on Varsity and play some 1B in the JV games (if he wanted to play a position). His...
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LuvMyKids ·
Yes..... He has not had the success at the plate as he's had on the mound. It's not that his hitting is that bad, I think it has more to do with his pitching is very good and his hitting doesn't compare.
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LuvMyKids ·
Thanks everyone..... All the feedback has been fantastic!
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LuvMyKids ·
Thanks for sharing...
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2020dad ·
He should do what makes him happy. But my approach would be to let the game tell you when it's time to be a PO. When the coach stops putting you in the line up then it's time to be a PO! In the meantime he can of course direct his efforts to improve more in the pitching area. Kind of what my son will do with basketball. Simply doesn't have any more hours in the day to give basketball a max effort. So he will play in high school for fun til the coach cuts him. If he plays four years great. If...
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CaCO3Girl ·
I also have a 2020 and I have to say I am confused by your post. Does your kid love baseball or not? It's all well and good to have a preference for a favorite position but playing on a team is suppose to entail the whole concept of "Yes sir, wherever you need me to play". We all gravitate to what we are good at, but your son will have more baseball options open to him if he can broaden his knowledge base. If he loves the game and wants to continue he should learn all that he can and become...
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Florida State Fan ·
I don't see a problem with your wanting to pitch only. His talent as a pitcher will determine whether he can do that or not.
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roothog66 ·
My son only became a PO when he became part of a team in which his bat simply wasn't as good as the rest of the lineup. This is summer ball. In high school, he will likely be hitting middle of the lineup. It doesn't bother him and we haven't spent a lot of time on hitting over the past couple of years, simply because it has been obvious for awhile that any opportunities to play beyond high school are tied firmly to pitching. the point is, I guess, that he didn't choose when to become a PO,...
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TPM ·
+1
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LuvMyKids ·
Thanks for the response
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kandkfunk ·
At that age, he still has a lot to learn about the game. Scenarios, plays, defensive strategies, etc. Do you think he will learn at the same rate watching from the bench as he would being a part of the action during each game? I know a couple kids your son's age who might do ok with that task, but the vast majority would not. My 2018 LHP son learned so much about baseball between 7th and 9th grade that I can't imagine him taking this route. I guess I would just be thinking about his overall...
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lionbaseball ·
The time to be P.O. is college or a summer travel team that gets exposure to scouts. My son had an opportunity to be a P.O. for a 18U travel team that supposedly had the majority of players signed to colleges already (words from the coach) and some being looked at by MLB scouts. I think my son felt that if he stunk it up then there was nothing else to contribute and he didn't want to waste $600.
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cabbagedad ·
Welcome to the site. You said he does enjoy playing the infield and then you asked if he is too young to only want to pitch. So there is a bit of contradiction / confusion. Assuming he does enjoy playing the infield, I would encourage him to continue to do so for all the good reasons mentioned... continue to develop a first hand knowledge of the game, enjoy playing more and sitting less, use less pitching bullets, potentially develop a love for other aspects of the game as well, contribute...
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BishopLeftiesDad ·
Thanks for the update. I think the forum really appreciates it when someone comes back with an update. It make the post so much more valid than one that never has an answer.
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LuvMyKids ·
Thanks for all the advice....
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LuvMyKids ·
Quick update ...... Son did a 180, struggled to throw strikes this summer and bat improved to the point that if he wasn't pitching he was at 1st or 3rd. They needed his bat in the lineup. He hit for average with some pop. The plan now is to continue to work at 1st and 3rd and his hitting. The game will eventually tell him when he is a pitcher only.
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Matt Reiland ·
Good to hear he kept an open mind about other positions and is improving at the plate.
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LuvMyKids ·
Yes.... I like when a thread has been updated as well.
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2020dad ·
Glad this was revived... When I commented originally I can't believe I failed to say a couple things. First big time kudos for your son being an A student and second good for him with working hard to get in athletic shape! He is on the right track.
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LuvMyKids ·
Thanks for the kind words 2020DAD.....
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Re: 2020 Grad- 3B/RHP

keewart ·
My son had several sessions with a running "specialist". Took down his time immediately. The tips for starts and where to position arms/hand, etc...can help tremendously. Some have recommended a session or two with the high school track coach which may help. Does your son play varsity yet? When he does, that is the time to showcase, if he has something to showcase.
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CaCO3Girl ·
Kyle31, I have a 2020 and have been told that getting on Varsity can be subjective depending on the school. Also, the best time to start showcasing is 10th grade, providing you have something to show, which he does.
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joes87 ·
My son had numbers similar to what you posted when he was 15U. Major difference was he was 6'2" at the time and about 175 pounds. He continued to develop, but gave up pitching. In the end he attracted the attention of mid to low level D1 coaches and many, D2, D3 and NAIA coaches. In the end he made the decision to not play college baseball. This decision was made prior to the summer between Jr and Sr HS years which is the major recruiting year, so we are not 100% certain where he would have...
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BrianTRC ·
Those are certainly solid numbers for a 2020 grad all around. The key will be getting an eval from a coach to see if they think it's the 6'1/220 that is the cause of the numbers, or if it's the 6'1/220 plus the skill set that is the cause of the numbers. What I'm talking about is the magic crystal ball of projections. Do his skills project out to develop into a D1 player? That can't be answered from stats alone. The stats right now are not D1. However, that does not mean he can't progress...
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2020 Grad- 3B/RHP

Kyle31 ·
Hello All, I am the parent of a 2020 3B/RHP. He is 6'1 220. He plays for a top 10 ranked 15u team in the country and we are from md. We recently attended a PBR Showcase (Fantastic event that was well run with lots of talent.) He recorded an exit velo of 86 off a tee and threw 78 across the infield. He sits 76-80 off the mound and tops 82. He is pretty slow running a 7.8 60 and 4.6 Home-1st. We were wondering if he is on track to go d1 which is his goal. Do you all have any workouts to get...
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StrainedOblique ·
Your son sounds like a pretty talented player. As far as D1 baseball goes , For a 2020 it's about working to improve the skill set, staying healthy and doing well in the classroom. D1 ball will show up if he's compatible at that level. THEY will let you know. As far as foot speed, my son didn't really have great speed until he spent a summer at UCLA working w/ a track coach. As far as D1 qualifications go it's subjective to the school or conference the school plays in. USC recruits a...
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2019Dad ·
Strained, I agree with your whole post with one exception -- the average MLB sixty time is 6.9 - 7.0. That is a 50 grade on the scouting scale (see www.fangraphs.com/blogs/scouti...0-80-scouting-scale/ ). It is impossible that the average MLB time is the same as the minimum time for a D1 recruit. Particulary since the OP's son is not a MIF or CF . . .
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Goosegg ·
A lot of your decisions should depend on where he is in his growth cycle; is he full height or will he be 6'8" and 220 in two years?I If he's full height, he should start to rearrange the bulk - which is not a quick process, but coaches will notice as his body begins to take on a different form. Also, since most boys his age do not really enjoy hard physical training, the discipline needed to rearrange his body will be a great start on a long road. As a HS freshman, most of his peers haven't...
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Buckeye 2015 ·
Going to agree with the others....there's really no way to know based on numbers alone. Being fast and a good glove won't help if he can't hit. Hitting the cover off the ball and being a 7.5-7.6 kid won't work either. 80 as a freshman RHP is probably the best stat you've mentioned so far...especially for his size. Keep in mind that it's not impossible....but is VERY uncommon to play both ways in college. My son was an all state SS and RHP. Hit .478 with 16 doubles and 4 HR's his senior year.
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MidAtlanticDad ·
Kyle31, welcome to the site! What does your son's coaching staff say about him being on track to go D1? From what you've described, it sounds to me like he's at a transition point. He could continue to be big and slow, or he could develop into big and athletic. I've seen kids his age go in both directions. If he wants to be a D1 position player, being slow is going to severely limit his options. That's going to matter much less if he pitches, but he'll still need to get much stronger to get...
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cabbagedad ·
Great advice by others. I would add.. yes, a track coach can work on speed and running form but it would also benefit to include agility as part of the focus (most track coaches can accommodate - just be sure to bring it up). A big guy doesn't have to be straight-line fast but is much more attractive and effective if he can maximize his athleticism and move fairly well. This can also help a young athlete navigate the awkward growth stages with a bit more grace, among other performance...
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GoHeels ·
The short answer is no. However, college coaches will take a player's 60 time into consideration, as a piece of their eval, when considering a player's overall level of athleticism. (or lack thereof) As with everything, other considerations apply. If he throws 97, he can run a 9 flat 40 time, and still get a lot of love. If he's more of a "stock righty", the balance of all of his attributes will come into comparison with others.
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roothog66 ·
God, I hope not as the parent of a PO who runs an 8.11.
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gunner34 ·
do PO running times matter as much? Im guessing you dont want to be stuck in the mud, but does he need to be sub 7.5?
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Truman ·
+1 KYLE31, it's still early to conclude much about your son as there's a lot of physical and mental maturing that occurs over the next few year. As other's have mentioned, keep working on the skills . . . particularly those "5 Tools" that are so important where it's good to be really good at just one of those tools.
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Gov ·
Good feedback above. Big kid for 2020 with upside; time to focus on strength, nutrition, speed, and continued skill development. Finding the best hitting, fielding, and pitching instruction will reap dividends. Make sure your son works with trainers dialed into strength moves appropriate for baseball players. To help find the right training facility, ask who the older recruited players are working out with? (When the collegiate players come in town for the off season and holidays they...
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joes87 ·
Going to add one more thing, start looking into how to make a recruiting video. Some are way more effective then others. For the most part its not what you think. No splash screens, no music, no subtitles, no game video. For the most part it should be a series of quick cuts of him taking BP, taking grounders, and pitching. Video should be no more then 2 to 3 minutes. Many schools that my son was in contact with asked for him to send video.
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2020 with injury

Jam24 ·
Hi, I am a first-time poster though I regularly read the advice on this forum. So thanks in advance for any advice you can provide. My son is a RHP who last year (summer/fall of 2017) after his freshman year received numerous offers, including a full ride offer from a Pac12 school. He felt very much like he wanted to keep looking because he didn't know what he wanted (and the Pac12 school is in our hometown and he wants to go away for school). Anyway, fast forward to this year and he...
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Nuke83 ·
Have you been to an orthopedist at all? From your response above, it doesn't sound like it, which is a bit surprising given the potential your son has shown to have gained high interest early and that fact that he missed his entire HS season. As others have stated already, seek some serious medical opinion, but you need to look beyond the family doctor (and apologies if you have, but your post above just mentions "a good doctor") and seek out an orthopedist that has some specialty in sports...
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Jam24 ·
That’s a good question about whether there is a specific mechanical or physiological cause. I don’t know but we have a good doctor and can ask that question. Thanks for your comments and good wishes.
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