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Exit Velo during BP?
Was curious to see how many people here ever set up the gun for exit velocity readings? If you do, how does it compare with tee velos and the like. Thanks for your time.
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Re: Daily pitching machine BP and a hitters development.
Rough situation. Can't do much about it, the Coach loves his new toy. Hitters need to see as much live overhand pitching velocity as possible.
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A few things... Heavy use of the machine, at least during some parts of the year, isn't uncommon at many colleges as well so he would be wise to figure out how to not hate it and make good use of it. Machines do have their place, at least for some aspects of hitting. Machines can have advantages as far as location consistency and good break if set properly, maintaining velo, etc. You can provide a steady dose of lefty and righty breaking balls with them. You can get unlimited bunting...
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I know a guy whose son was on a team that did no live, simply because there was not a single coach on the team who could throw it. It was an uncomfortable conversation but he volunteered and was eventually accepted. Maybe that's the problem here? If so, maybe you could try to help out. ... or you could throw to just your own kid after practice. If you have access to the school cage, it might make a statement.
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The coach can provide some rhythm by using his other hand to simulate a throwing motion. Put it in and at the same time wave down with the other hand that you have raised before. Maybe he can ask him to do that for him.
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Weird then, because guys with arms like to use them. Maybe it’s a temporary thing.
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CABBAGEDAD makes a very good point about many college programs using machines as part of their training. The top travel team in our state uses them, too. They set the machines up at 70mph from 35-40 feet away to help the kids learn to hit higher velocity.
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Do you think it's messing up his timing more because he doesn't get to see a human throwing the ball, or because they have it set up wrong? If they're shooting 80 mph at him from 45' away, that kind of defeats the purpose of simulating real pitch velocity. Tough spot. How would a request for post-practice live BP from one of the ACs go over?
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We used them to simulate fast pitching and to get a lot of swings in a short amount of time. Some loved it and some hated it. I have found that the guys that hit well hit live and pitching machine. The ones who struggled against fast pitching struggled against both. We did not use it exclusively but did it mixed in with live pitching. We had no one but our ace who threw fast and did not want to use him so we used the machine. I'm not a fan of coming in closer and throwing live fast because I...
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There's his angle. As Mid and JCG noted, those college PO's like to throw. The player group appealing to that group is likely to produce results sooner or later. Or, at the least, they should ask one or more of those guys to throw live outside of team practice time. Meanwhile, conquer the machine.
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In baseball, I used both. I find it hard to believe that machine alone is destroying a machine. I would suggest that the feeder can help the hitter by showing the ball just above the feeding chute and then, when the ball moves, the hitter start that load so that they are simulating a pitch in progress. Of course the best scenario is to have live arm. However, it is harder than one thinks to find someone who can really throw live BP that is beneficial. I've seen countless former college...
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I hate the machines if they take the place of live pitching, but they are great for working on breaking balls, IMO, as someone pointed out above....assuming that you have a machine that throws somewhat repeatable curves. It's hard to get a BP thrower who throws a consistent, hittable breaking pitch from 35' away. I coached with a 6'7" former Milb/D1 pitcher last year. My 14 yo's team was terrified of BP. It wasn't so much the speed, but his breaking stuff, and the weird angle that his ball...
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My son has trained on all machines, and they all have their benefits. But using anything exclusively is a bad idea. We knew they used a 2 wheel Jugs machine at the High School level and for the tryout. So he practiced hitting off one during the winter. But we would always compliment that practice with live arm throws as well as using a local Iron Mike, which is much more similar to timing live pitching. We used a ProBatter PX2 on the weekends to simulate live game at bats. You should do the...
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One of the problems with regular pitching machines is a kid will tend to start timing his swing rather than reacting to a pitch. My son was fortunate to have access to a Pro Batter in high school and college. He would program it for twenty pitches that varied in speed and pitch type. Even then, whatever kind of pitch it was always came to one location for that pitch. He still did a lot of in cage, live pitching BP.
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One of the best things we've done recently for my HS Soph kid's hitting is found a former D1 pitcher in his mid 20's who throws him Batting Practice twice a week (for a very reasonable minimal fee). This guy used to cruise in the low 90's, still throws mid 80's easy, can spin a good tight curve and throws 2 seams, 4 seams, changeups etc... My kid then has me videotape the BP on my IPad and looks at his swings in between BP Rounds. Anything you can do to face good overhand velocity is going...
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My sons 2 travel coaches would pitch live AB's in the winter to the team indoors from regulation distance. Both old D3 players from a top level program. One was a righty and one was a lefty. They sat in the low to mid 80's and threw a great cb and slider. It was priceless practice. If you can't find that, look for a Probatter PX2 in your area. I would drive almost 2 hours both ways so my son could use one.
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I recently tried to convince our HC to use Juggs machine to better develop our hitters. However, I think your son's coach is making a mistake if that is all he is doing to prepare them for hitting in game situations. It is a tool and should be treated as such. A good program is going to incorporate tee, soft toss, coach-pitch BP, and a machine. They are all valuable and provide opportunities for hitters to focus in different ways. Our HC has not incorporated machine yet but maybe that is why...
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Re: Exit Velo during BP?
My grandson took part in an NCTB Showcase this past weekend and posted 95mph Exit Velocity during BP. After his 1st swing they started videoing him and Tweeted the video. He is only 15 and we were told this velocity was near the best in the nation for Sophomores.
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Something I found: So I Measured my Exit Velocity, NOW WHAT? (Average exit velocity by age) Now that you know your exit velocity, you can see where you sit among your peers. Here’s the breakdown of what is considered an exceptional exit velocity among each age group: Ages 8-10: 55-65 mph Ages 11-13: 60-70 mph Ages 14-15: 75-80 mph Ages 15-16 (High School JV): 80 mph aluminum/ 75 mph wood Age 16-18 (High School Varsity): 90 mph aluminum/ 85 mph wood Collegiate: 95 mph aluminum/ 90 mph wood...
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Interesting, but this doesn't paint the whole picture. First, who is categorizing these exit velos with the level of play, because there are quite a few guys in the MLB currently who, by this chart, would be somewhere between JV and Varsity ball players. Just saying, this needs context. Is this average exit velo or maximum exit velo? For many batters, the difference between average and maximum is 20-25 MPH, sometime more. That is a pretty sizeable difference, and no disrespect to anyone on...
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Average exit velo on statcast for an MLB player has a much wider range because it's being taken in game against elite pitching. In my experience recording exit velos off a tee, the range is usually 3-5 mph from their max out. Someone who tops at 95 off the tee is sitting in the 89-93 range, 75 mph would be a pop up to the pitcher. The OP asks about bp. It's been studied that 1 mph of pitch velocity equates to .20 added exit velo. So bp exit velos should be about 6 mph harder. From evaluating...
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So, instead of using the available data from statcast, which is pretty much the gold standard, we should speculate? My point is this: sure, all of these players are capable of generating exit velos off a tee in an artificial setting with no real variables. But a pitched baseball is the biggest variable of them all, and the average exit velo for these players tells me that it really doesn’t matter what is measured off the tee, because on average you aren’t going to produce that during a game.
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The stat cast average ev is irrelevant because peaches grandson isn't facing 90mph sliders. 15u pitching has far less variables, and thus the average exit velo will be much closer to max. No matter what stat cast measurement your sort by, there is almost no correlation with top players. Guys who hit 35 home runs have ev 10 points lower than AAAA players. You might not have read my post; I refer to stat cast data several times. I simply deduced ev off a tee by subtracting the help of the...
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My point is it doesn't matter how you measure exit velocity, and it doesn't matter whether the players are MLB. You are choosing to ignore the trend based on the level the trend is measured at. I think the trend is probably true at any level. The facts are that the players are facing typically similarly talented competition. 15U players face 15U pitching, MLB caliber players face MLB caliber pitching. 15U hitters have 15U experience and strength...MLB players have...well..you know. Sso to...
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PG PBR and any college camp all measure it. The pools of talent MLB scouts look at have already been weeded out from those with weak measurables. Figuring out ev from a tee is useful as a comparison tool, and a progression stat. Gained 5 ev in a year? Studies say you can hit the ball 25 feet further, and those grounders in the hole might get through. Good luck finding me a player at a P5 with below an 88 ev from a tee.
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average or maximum? In game or off a tee? This is why scouts and coaches watch players play in games before offering or signing them.
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I am sure as the tech becomes more affordable and easily deployable, we will see it part of the recruitment game like the radar gun
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Due to the speed of the incoming pitch, exit velocity should be slightly higher. Not sure what it would really tell you though. Off a tee it gives you a baseline/metric for improvement.
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Re: Upper Bicep Pain When Batting
When I don’t feel any pain should I be doing any strengthening workouts for my arms for prevention?
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Upper Bicep Pain When Batting
I have been doing some BP lately and whenever I try to do a heavy swing, I always get a sharp pain in my upper bicep that lasts for a few days then goes away and then comes back at my next bp session. Should I be worried about this or can it be fixed with just a better batting form? I’ve noticed that it doesn’t hurt as much when I let go of the bat with one hand after making contact. I get the pain where my upper bicep and shoulder meet. Thank you.
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Strongly urge you see a sports medicine specialist. Let us know where you are from and I’m quite certain someone on the boards can at least give you a starting point.
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I agree with Senna. Probably going to need some PT and ease up on the curls for a while.
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I'm no PT, but if anything I'd do light weight or just skip biceps for a while. For years I was using 45's for bicep curls. Then one day my arm was sore and it kept coming back every time I worked out. I don't know if it was the curls or pullups (I stopped those completely). I started curling with 25's and haven't felt pain since. If you are feeling pain something is probably inflamed and heavy weights will not help. I'd still take Senna's advice and see a professional. If there is a tear...