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Re: Velocity, God given? Or can it be drastically improved?
Is there a definition for a "legal" pop time calculation? I know the basics, but are there some rules that prohibit the catcher from starting his move long before the ball ever reaches the mitt? I think I remember seeing some comments here about how catchers "cheat" when it comes to having pop times timed in a showcase type setting (for instance their already standing on the plate when they receive the baseball).
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Re: Velocity, God given? Or can it be drastically improved?
It is helpful for catchers to know their pop times and their velocity. Both are important! Some need more improvement in catch and throw technique, others need more improvement on arm strength. The best catchers are good at both. Pop times will always be better in workouts than games. In games the catcher is receiving live in game pitches with a hitter that is likely to swing. In workouts, the catcher is receiving BP slow fastballs mostly thrown right down the middle and no worry about the...
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Re: Velocity, God given? Or can it be drastically improved?
Topic near and dear to my heart as my son is a 2017 catcher. Looking at D2s and D3s given his size (5'10" 170lbs). Personally, I think hand-measured pop-times can easily help--or hinder--a given throw by as much as 0.2 seconds. So a kid throwing 2.05 consistently can get an artifact 2.2 or a 1.9. It all averages out in theory, but at a busy combine the 2.05 can get a 2.1, 2.1, and 2.2. Or get a 1.95, 2.0, 2.0. You can see which is better. My son has done two, 10-week weighted ball regimens...
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Re: Velocity, God given? Or can it be drastically improved?
Batty, Hope my post didn't bother you. Mid 70s isn't bad at all, upper 70s is good and 80 or better is outstanding. Arm strength can be improved with age and work. 80 or better is far from impossible. If he has quick feet and quick release with some accuracy, he has a chance to play most anywhere. If he can hit, run and receive, he can play at a high level. Remember that many players develop a lot while they are in college. I agree with you about hand held times. We usually have at least...
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Re: Velocity, God given? Or can it be drastically improved?
I agree with PGStaff. My velocity 2 years ago was 75. I am not sure what it is now. I have quick feet, and I am accurate. I also am able to block and receive. Would the other assets besides pop time and arm strength be able to get you to the next level?
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Re: Velocity, God given? Or can it be drastically improved?
Velocity is genetics. Any work you do can only take you to your own potential. Hope he makes it Batty. Velo is king (everyone knows it). School first, then baseball.
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Not bothered in the slightest PGSTAFF. I think your posts and comments are a huge boon to HSBW. I 'm just being pragmatic/realistic about my son. I agree with 2forU (but we know each other outside of HSBW and since our kids were in LL), velocity is mostly genetics. Or at least the upper limit and how close a player can "access it easily". The rest is work, or very hard work to be precise. Positionally my son might, in theory, be able to attain close to 80 but he'd have to be working hard and...
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Re: Velocity, God given? Or can it be drastically improved?
What would be the normal size of a D1 catcher? I am 6 ft and 190 pounds. Good luck to your son in the future as I am going through the recruiting process right now.
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Re: Velocity, God given? Or can it be drastically improved?
I looked at Top 25 rosters about a year ago and the average was 6' 1" and 205, if I remember correctly. Keep working to add strength to that frame and you'll be just fine.
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Re: Velocity, God given? Or can it be drastically improved?
Thank you! I will, I am now lifting 3 days a week for the next 6 months and I will be starting personal training sometime soon. I weighed 200 and then I stared to lift and I did a lot of cardio in a week (10 to 20 minutes every day) and I lost 10 pounds. Now I weigh around 191.
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Re: Velocity, God given? Or can it be drastically improved?
The muscle mass you are putting on will weigh more than the little bit of fat lost. Keep at it!
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I will! Will keep you guys up to date. Got another 6 months! Can't wait to see the improvements and muscle gain in the following months. Should I still be doing cardio every day?
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Re: Velocity, God given? Or can it be drastically improved?
The piece of advice would be to be careful with the weightlifting. My son injured his shoulder prior to his junior year of HS and missed the whole season. Biggest issue is that it was his throwing shoulder, we suspect he hurt it during off season HS weight session. He was getting a bit of interest before that mostly due to his Pop times and he could swing it a little.
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Re: Velocity, God given? Or can it be drastically improved?
Wesley, As the father of a customer of Kyle's who totally buys into what Kyle is teaching, I believe you can learn (and work) to throw harder. I also believe uninformed effort can be counter-productive, no matter how diligent or intense. My son didn't get much coaching early because I thought I was raising a wrestler, not a baseball player. If I had to do it over again, I'd have invested in better coaching sooner. Best wishes,
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Re: Velocity, God given? Or can it be drastically improved?
I am using a lifting program I got from a CC that I went and visited. Some one from my high school went there and played baseball and he followed their lifting routine and he got very big.
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Re: Velocity, God given? Or can it be drastically improved?
Thank you. I have seen some of Kyle's videos on YouTube of Drivelinebaseball. I have seen them using weighted baseballs which is where I got the idea of. I am currently using a lifting program from a CC that I went and visited. I will also soon be hopefully going to a Sports Performance gym close to my home where they offer personal training, I believe the owner played baseball so he should know what he is doing.
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Re: Electric shock/numbness when throwing hard
ask your trainer for a referral to a orthopedic specializing in pitchers elbows... If in fact there are any looking at thi board they would not make any assumptions without seeing you. Everyone else should have zero opinion.
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Ulnar nerve entrapment - yes, I am a MD. U need an orthopedic surgeon.
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LeftyMagic..... you have the creds..... just wanted to make sure the young man and this thread didn't go off the rails and give ignorant opinions.
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Good call from Bacdorslider not to come here for medical advice. Follow his advice. FWIW my son had ulner nerve entrapment. He also needed an elbow cleanout. Recovery took longer than expected.
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Re: Electric shock/numbness when throwing hard
Unfortunately my college trainer does not seem to think that this is a serious matter, I have gone to a neurologist on my own and all nerves seem to be functioning well according to the nerve test that was conducted, that being said it has left me wondering what It is. I have switched from almost all the doctors in my area because they seem to ask for my symptoms and just give me anti-inflammation pills and pain killers or tell me to try and play a different position. Prior to this injury I...
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They only granted me a MRI for the spine and the neurologist said that it looked good.
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16yo had tingly feeling and elbow pain last year once he grew to 6' and started trying to throw harder. Nothing structurally wrong, but he has had to learn to throw all over again. At this point he is able to throw without pain, with the same or better velo, but his accuracy and finer points of pitching are still a work in progress with his new motion. I am not a doctor, but my wife is. While she understood the diagnosis far better than a lay person, she would emphasize that orthopedics(or...
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I have not felt pain or numbness coming from my elbow while feeling the electric shock feeling in my hand. sometimes when shrugging I can feel the numbness shoot through both my arms and when my neck cracks I can feel it somethings too. I am on a long waiting list for orthopedics. Thanks for your response I appreciate it.
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Re: Holiday and summer Baseball camp comments - Doyle and others
Welcome to the site; thanks for sharing your son's experiences.
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Re: Catching Pop Time
Try to get rid of the arc on the ball. Get on top of it and fire a bullet to the bag.
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I will work on that! What is the best thing to do for arm strength? How often can I long toss and do band work? I do band work like 3 times a week and use it to warm up before a game.
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Re: Best Camp that don't give catchers short shrift?
Catchingcamp.com Worth every penny. Following them on social media will give you a good idea of their philosophy.
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I'm glad you mention them. Looked at their Road Trip Camps this past winter, but I didn't know if it was worth the time/travel/price. I already follow them on FB, so I'll keep an eye on it.
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I see you are in Florida... a hotbed for current AND past players. I'll bet you can find an ex-college/pro catcher that will work with your son one-on-one where the learning curve and progression will likely be quicker than at a camp setting. It also affords the opportunity for refresher check-ins, homework, etc. If the guy is local, there is a chance that he will attend an occasional game of your son's and give ongoing constructive feedback. Meanwhile, if you aren't familiar, the "catching...
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Can 2nd Jay Weaver in New England + Xan Barksdale. Tom Griffin @ Carson-Newman is an excellent instructor + an engaging speaker at conferences https://www.cneagles.com/sport...amp_brochure_-1-.pdf . All top notch, first class people passionate about catching.
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Completely agree with cabbage here. My son (2019) had "lessons" from several catching coaches over the years, starting at about eight years old. It wasn't until we found THE guy in our area that his skills took off. After training with this particular individual for a while, it was very easy to go around to the various youth tournaments and spot the kids who trained with him and, in my opinion, what you want is true "training." Not sitting in a cage, or in a group of 20, with a guy getting a...
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Tequila, I would *love* to find an effective coach for regular lessons. He has a great hitting coach, and one who gave lessons for blocking. Just haven't found one that clicked for the other aspects. We are within reasonable driving distance of Orlando & Tampa. I'm not really plugged into a network. I lurk on a few FB groups, but haven't found them to be useful for our needs. Son has only played travel ball for a couple of years, and it's been a steep learning curve, to say the least. I...
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This is a great time to contact colleges in the area... season is just ending for most and a HC or AC may be able to refer you to a coach on staff, a player/catcher, a previous coach or player/catcher or another local guy they might suggest who may be able to provide regular lessons, at least for a period of time. Another avenue is the local club/travel/training organizations... they may have someone on staff or someone they can refer you to. They are usually tuned in to the local instructor...
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I know that Eric Cressey has one of his sports performance facilities in Jupiter, which is not close to you I wouldn't imagine but, though he's not a catching coach, I suspect he has a wide network of players and coaches he's worked with over the years. He has also been very responsive via email when I was considering sending my son down there for a training program and motion evaluation. Just a thought.
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Email the coach of a local college. See if the coaches are open to giving lessons. If not, head to a college game. Catch one of the players coming in/out. See if they're willing to give lessons in the offseason. They will be - assuming you keep it discrete and in cash. UCF and USF aren't too far from you. Ask around. Two local D1 guys helped run our winter workouts. $80 every Sunday for a few months goes a long way for most college kids. Especially those unable to work. Catching lessons...
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I don't disagree with you here PA but I think the trouble is in the bolded above. No, there aren't a ton of philosophies but there are a few that differ dramatically e.g. "gain ground, no step, jab step, knee down, knee up, let it get deep, stick it out front, hand in fist behind mitt, hand in seam of hip, et al., ad nauseam." I follow 12 or 13 different catching guys on twitter and the debates on a few things seem never ending. There are a lot of universally agreed upon things but if a...
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Great idea about calling the colleges. There are a few JuCo and D1 programs fairly close to us. I talked with some parents of college players this weekend, and it seems like most of the players are headed out to play summer baseball in the league that their coaches have chosen for them. Still, the assistant coaches would have some insight. I have never thought about contacting them, simply because they are probably inundated with inquiries, and I worry about the "etiquette" of such calls.
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It doesn't really matter much. Hey, I have a catcher who is a sophomore in HS. He's looking to train defensively with somebody this summer. Is there anybody on your staff who trains kids or any former/current players in the area that you would recommend? If that doesn't work, try talking to some batting instructors at academies. I'm sure some have trained a college catcher at some point that they could put you in contact with. Not sure if you're north or south of Orlando/Tampa, but if...
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PABASEBALL : Especially so when you consider what some of those guys are making. Isn't that the truth. Very little. I'm north of Orlando/Tampa, but I don't mind driving there, or Stetson, etc. if it's a great coach. One thing I've learned is that someone can be a great player, but still not know how to impart knowledge to the student.
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My son makes decent money as a college softball coach but still does lessons in baseball since he played D1. Very few college guys are turning down cash. I don't think it is inappropriate to email or call and ask for their recommendations. Read their profiles and see if any of the coaches played catcher in college or pros. That would be your best source. Keep an eye out because many will do pitching/catching camps especially in the fall/winter. They bring in these two to help each other and...
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Thanks to all for some useful feedback. I have put some feelers out, and I think I have found a good prospect only 30 minutes from us.