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Advice on 3 potential errors (some weather-related)

uid-bball ·
Hello, new member and somewhat new to scorekeeping for 14u team. I have some plays over the past few weeks that i'd like to get some opinions on if they are errors or not. I'm still a little unclear how much weight to give to "weather" when it comes to judging errors for the second and third situation. Thanks for any help. Situation #1: Fly ball hit a ball to the right field gap and a three-way collision ensues in the outfield between CF, RF and 2B, and ball drops. An error to the right...
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Goosegg ·
IMO, No errors on any play. While the standard is ordinary effort, generally its interpreted as basically requiring the fielder either touch the ball or essentially have it go through him (e.g., infielder ball between his legs). Instance 1 was a miscommunication between three fielders; instance 2 was a player who will now never forget his sunglasses and use his glove to block the sun; instance 3 could be attributed to the weather. The good news is that the first two instances provide great...
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Ja'Crispy ·
None of those seem like routine plays 14u players would be expected make all of the time. I think if any of these plays are made the players gets a "ooh great catch". This is 14u ball and good teaching moments. I would mark them down as hits and remind the kids how to handle them better next time.
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Swampboy ·
As Goosegg says, the standard is "ordinary effort." You have to make a subjective decision. Considering the totality of circumstances--where the fielder was positioned, where and how the ball was hit, and other factors in play like wind and sun--should a player of average ability at that level of baseball be able to make the play while exerting ordinary effort? One unofficial rule of thumb I use is to put myself in the position of the pitcher. Could the pitcher have reasonably expected the...
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Golfman25 ·
If you're the pitcher's dad: All three are errors. If you're the hitters' dad: All three are hits.
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Swampboy ·
As a pitcher's dad, I often suspected scorekeepers of basing their decision on their assumption that it's better to call it a hit and have the pitcher's dad hate them than to call it an error and have both the hitter's dad and the fielder's dad hate them.
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Gov ·
Situation 1: Hit. If caught it would have been a great play by any of the three players involved. Not an ordinary effort play. Situation 2: Hit. IT's exceptional effort to block the sun with the glove to make the play, especially at 14. Chances are, even with sunglasses it could have been difficult to catch. Situation 3: Hit. It would take exceptional effort to quickly calculate the wind and rain effect. If the player made the play everybody would have clapped, suggesting it wasn't an...
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uid-bball ·
Thank you for all the responses. Great advice.
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DadintheBox ·
I have been keeping the book for years. I can't tell you the number of times I have had the "he should have had it" - "the standard is ordinary effort" conversation. However, this year, I have become frustrated by a first baseman who doesn't scoop well and never comes off the bag to block a ball. The throws could be better but a better first baseman would have cut the errors in half or at least held the runner at first instead of letting the ball get by him and the runner going to 2nd. All...
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Stats4Gnats ·
DadintheBox posted: …All this to say is that scoring is subjective and sometimes the wrong person is hit with the error (ex. SS makes a great play in the hole and throws off balance. Ball is a low throw that one hops. 1st baseman scoops and misses - E6. But a good 1B makes the play 9/10 times). ... I agree that a good F3 saves a lot of errors, but it doesn’t matter. Any throw that strikes the ground that would have put a runner out if it was caught, is an error on the thrower. OBR Rule...
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Kevin A ·
I mentioned this before. I don't really sweat what the guy who does the book. writes down. A lot of time and at lower levels its a dad that means well or another player. Not exactly experienced score keeping. If your trying to keep track and record at the HS level for college recruiters, thats a different issue. at 14/u it really doesn't to much. My son's a catcher and I know what he should and shouldn't get to....I dont sweat if the pitcher spikes the ball two feet in front of the plate and...
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FoxDad ·
This has been brought up time and time again, but HS stats are not reliable (Many times the official score book is kept by a parent or player in the dugout) and college coaches rarely (If ever) take them into account. What they do take into account is the player's tools. Not saying HS stats shouldn't be kept, but statistically the data set is too small to mean anything. Even at the college level where they play three times as many games in a season, the data set is not quite enough to mean...
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