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Re: Early Commitments at Son's Dream School
Is he expected to be a pitcher only? Pitchers have a bit of time....if your LHP can/will throw 90+ he won't have any problem finding a P5 home. There is always room for very good pitchers. They could even invite him to walk on....then they could just throw out the dead weight from another class. "You want to go where you can play". <<<<<< This, every time. Does your son have the measurables of the other commits at his dream school?
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Some touched on this already, but I would caution him against being too "stuck" on this dream school. My son had a dream school - dad's alma mater. When it really came down to it, he realized his dream school was not the right fit for him. Lots of factors played into this realization - money (out of state) was a big one. I also think that after visiting campus and being at a camp, the "vibe" from the program and the school was just not him. Hard to explain, but I told him he would just get a...
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I will begin by saying that this is probably not going to be a popular post. But as I told RJM, my posts are not about trying to generate “likes.” I attempt to speak the truth. And the truth is that the overwhelming majority of parents that have players in the 12 - 16 year old age range are delusional about the potential for their sons to play D1 P5 baseball. The statistical odds are incredibly remote. Somewhere between 6% & 7% of all HS players advance to play college baseball at ANY...
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We didn't really identify a dream school going into recruiting. Now that he's there, it's his dream school. But in support of a couple of previous posts — he's a pitcher who blossomed as a junior and senior and committed in fall of his senior year, after a couple of people who committed early on decommitted, at least one after he and coaches "mutually decided it was no longer a good fit" — which I translated to "he stopped working." Adbono is right — try to get realistic about what level...
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So this P5 only recruits 11/12 players every year? That seems low. If your son has shown that he is a legitimate P5 LHP, 86 top velo and 82-84 as a sophomore which you stated previously, then he needs to contact his dream school and let them know immediately. I would say that if he has the numbers they would probably jump on it quickly. Just know that most will not commit until their summer before junior year or junior year unless it is a handful of P5 schools like Vandy where the LHP number...
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Dreams are a good. "If you don't have dreams, you have nightmares"..... was a frequently used phrase in my house when my kids were looking at colleges. I think it is great your son is thinking big. I also think underclassmen get caught up in the hype, branding and marketing that goes on in college basketball and football. College and college baseball is a VAST universe of options that need to be explored to know what is possible. Keep pursuing the dream school, but also begin pursuing other...
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It is nice to have a "dream school" but your son needs to identify what he is looking for in a school and baseball program. Then see where he fits and what schools are a fit for him. Look at the churn on college rosters. There are lots of reasons for churn, but look at a P5 roster over the years and see how few players provide any substantial contribution, the number that move on, etc... I am aware of a number of players from my area that were really good HS players who went to P5 schools.
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I read on here all the time the turnover in D1 baseball. I began to look back at the guys who played with my sons that we knew personally playing travel ball. There are at least 50 kids on this list that went D1. There are only about 5 that started at a D1 and ended up somewhere else. That is 10%. I consider that a very small number. 1 of those flunked out and never played anywhere. 1 got arrested right before college and then again in his freshman fall so he was sent home and is at juco.
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I know of a Gatorade Player of the Year who headed for a ranked SEC program, hit .157 and was told to transfer to a JuCo. He transferred to an ACC, made all conference and was drafted in the first fifteen rounds. Some players have the talent, don’t perform when called and need a second shot someplace else. Too many players don’t understand the level of competition they’re getting into. They shoot too high and end up on the short end of the competition for positions. A player has to be able...
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Just for giggles I did a quick analysis of the class of 2017 from my state. The top 10 on PBR all committed to P5 schools. Currently 2 are at original school, 2 are in the minors and 6 have transferred.
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I just looked at NCAA reported numbers ( www.ncaa.org/about/resources/r...transfers-division-i ). From 2007-2018 the transfer rate for D1 baseball (all transfers (2-4, 4-4) went down from 27.6% in 2007 23% in 2018, with 2-4 transfer staying fairly static around 20%, while 4-4 transfer reduced from 8.1% to 2.2%. So this is nowhere near the 50% that RJM mentioned, however I also think the data is really not representative of the entire transfer picture. What the data does not show is the...
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My data is from 2010 when my son was going through the process. It came from the NCAA. The verbiage was something to the effect of 50% of baseball players transfer out to somewhere else (any level) to play before junior year. A 4-2-4 would be two transfers. As you mentioned the 27% probably isn’t the complete picture. It’s too drastic of a change. http://www.ncaa.org/about/reso...nt-athlete-transfers “A 2018 study from the National Student Clearinghouse estimates that 39% of all...
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I'm not trying to dispute numbers just going on personal experience. I just don't see the transfers that everyone talks about. To me 20% is not a high number. I bring this up because on almost every thread numerous people will talk about all the kids who don't end up where they started. I just don't see it. I think it is a few but not a lot. I think it will change in the coming years as the openness of the portal begins to be more in play. I'm not happy so I will go somewhere and not have to...
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This is where the attrition rates on CBI's datasets can be useful, especially compared with transfers into the program. Some schools have 8 freshmen leave one year, but 0 the next, so clearly it can vary. But some are more consistent in one direction or the other (as was noted for the Ivy League set). Also, those datasets are, I think, based on rostered players. So, "preferred walkons" who might commit on PG but never make a spring roster, may not be being counted.
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Whether aggregate transfer rate is 20% or 80%, it’s a real possibility. Competition will be steep. Real question is what is it for your kid, and is he prepared for how tough it will be, and can he handle the “failure” if he transfers? I tell my kid PG lists 22 kids in his class. My son says he’s all in, and tells me to stop worrying about it.
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No one chooses a school intending to transfer. One real issue for kids is this: most D1 schools have no time for a player to find his game. The leap from HS to college is in every way (academically, socially, athletically) a huge leap; these power programs dont have time to wait. AND most don't have time (or even ability) to actually develop talent - especially development cases. I will use my son's case as an example. Drafted out of HS throwing over 90 as a LHP, it was expected that he...
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GOOSEGG, Great post. As some know, mine also struggled quite a bit adjusting to the college game. Fortunate for him, he had a great pitching coach who never gave up on him. Also, the ACC was weaker back then, with no roster limits. Back then you had much more of an opportunity to grow up than now. Unless you are a top proven prospect who gave up draft, in the top P5 programs, you don't get much time to prove yourself.
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I agree 100%. I also found it a great resource for players looking to play out of state. If you want to look at a program from the state where I live, you won't find many out of state players in most D1 programs. Again, this is a great resource. Those looking to go to a camp out of state, check out the info on the database, I believe every conference has been listed. If you see that only a select few from out of state have been on the roster for the last few years, is this really a good way...
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I wonder what happens in a situation I heard of yesterday. The P5 team had already had end of fall meetings. Players were told who was kept, cut, and redshirted. Yesterday, a player came in on last day before Christmas break and cleaned out his locker and dorm room. Told coach he was not coming back and he was a kept player. Do you think they go back to one of the redshirt guys and say you have a spot or go try to get someone to help immediately if they did not think the redshirt guy was...
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Geez, that’s called looking a gift horse in the mouth! I would imagine there is more to the story, I can’t imagine a player who was told he is going to get playing time leaving.
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As stated above, Dream schools and "best fit" are often not the same. There are so many factors that go into a decision... baseball program, coaches, number of recruits per class, the competitiveness of the team and league, ability to play, number of transfers each year, campus, food, urban vs. rural, academic rank, academic program availability, far from home, close to home, career planning, student happiness, etc... What is important to your son as a Freshman may not be as important as a...
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I think the transfer numbers can be deceiving as stated by several posters above. My sons Connie Mack team had I believe 10 or 11 kids "committed" to a P5 team. 8 or 9 of those kids transferred out at Christmas break with most going JUCO route. Technically they were not yet rostered players. So if a non-rostered player transfers to another school, would he actually be considered a transfer since he wasn't on team? I think this scenario happens more often than not but I am not sure how it is...
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Based on the high rate of roster turnover at the school your son is headed to, and the rampant amount of over recruiting that is also done there, there is plenty to worry about. At a minimum I would suggest a well thought out plan B.
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Were most of these guys scholarship players or walk ons?
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No idea - I am sure a majority were "recruited" walk-ons but probably no scholly involved.
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I ask because I know several P5 scholarship guys this happened to...after one semester. I didn't think that was common but I am not so sure.
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My gut tells me that there is probably a large number of scholarship players that are told they will not get any playing time and "choose" to leave. I think it is much more common that we all realize.
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My plan B is to call you. My son has no plan B, just a plan A. It's the same plan he has been working on for four years.
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Well, Coaches always have a plan B, C, D...some of the big-name programs that have a large recruiting class out of high school, and then announce a highly ranked JUCO recruiting class are tipping their hands, especially if that class is loaded with pitching. Respice finem....
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There is no hand to tip, all the cards are on the table. They have been since he committed. Son is all in, there is no thought of “plan B” or “what if I’m not good enough?”. As a coach, would you want a kid who has one foot on plan A and his other on plan B? Or a kid that says “I choose your smaller program because I didn’t think it would be as hard as that big, competitive, scary school.” Incendite Naves! Besides, it’s just baseball and school. Neither are required for a happy life.
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Glad you have that outlook, of course go full steam ahead. Just know, that once that ship starts burning, knowing where the life raft is located is an important element of survival. Good luck
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Couple of Latin scholars going at it!! Has to be a first here.
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It's not me with that outlook. I'm the one who carries all the worry. I'm the one who counts recruits, looks up velocity/scouting reports, counts transfer rates and looks on the horizon for storm clouds. If he flames out, academically, athletically or life-wise, I'll offer to do whatever I can for him, if he wants the help. And call Adbono for a JUCO. Or get him into a trade school. Or assist him with moving on with his life however he wants.
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I’m right there with you. There is no way I’ll put doubt in his mind and I would be disappointed if he was thinking plan B. That said, life has thrown us curves before and we have always adjusted and moved forward. Many times it’s ended up better, just different. Life is rarely what you plan.
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I embraced my role as consigliere/Yoda. Some of the off spring's choices will test my ability to stave off ulcers. I Am grateful to have an internet group therapy session to help me get through this.
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Brought back some good "Diner" memories right there. Thanks
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Agree with this. Having a Plan B means that you have an understanding of risk. My boy lacks the perspective needed to evaluate multiple risks, he is 17 yoa. We have effectively provided for a Plan B by making sure that he understands the importance of doing his best in whatever he attempts, school to baseball and beyond.
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The Truth About Verbal Commitments
Good concise article https://keepplayingbaseball.org/the-truth-about-verbal-commitments-3/
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Re: The Truth About Verbal Commitments
Thanks for sharing.. Very good article for those just getting started in the process and hoping to understand how verbal committments work. At one point, everybody was new to college baseball recruiting and asking these questions. The following statement summed it up best for me as I look back at my son's experience: "Verbal commitments are an important part of the process, but they are more symbolic than practical." It was very symbolic but really put a stake in the ground. It was a meeting...
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Important, yes but also one way. We've been there like most others before the offers came.