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2022 - Where can I get a good assessment?
I've been reading a lot of recruiting advice on this forum, and much of it seems to be specific to the level of the player. The advice given to an elite-level D1 talent is not appropriate for a D3 level player, and vice versa. As he is beginning his sophomore year of baseball and formulating his college recruiting plan, what is the best way for my son to get an honest assessment of his talent level? His high school and travel team coaches are excellent at teaching the game of baseball, but...
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Position to showcase?
So I'm not sure where to post this as I'm a new member. My question is my son who is a 2022 grad but will not turn 15 until August of 2019 plays both for his high school and tournament teams. The problem is for high school he pitches and plays shortstop, for tournament he pitches and plays outfield. He has a great fastball (mid 80s) but is an inconsistent pitcher,so is not used often. My real question is where would you showcase him when his position constantly changes? And does anyone else...
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Affect of Corona on ‘21s and ‘22s
How will the cancelation of this season affect the recruiting of 2021 and 2022 grads? Lots of juniors are still available and correct me if I’m wrong but there are programs throughout D1-D2-D3, JuCo that are still recruiting ‘21s
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Early Commitments at Son's Dream School
My son is a 2022 LHP/OF who has recently identified his dream school (D1 P5 program). I checked a popular website that tracks college baseball commitments, and the site shows that there are already EIGHT 2022 VERBAL COMMITMENTS for this school. That's 3/4 of the recruiting class! So, I have a few questions for the group... 1. Can this be true? How accurate are these sites and how do they get their information? 2. Has my son missed the boat (or at least 3/4 of the boat) on getting recruited...
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You can list multiple positions at showcases. Most kids do when they are younger. At showcases, arm strength is noticed more than consistency. He will always be younger and will be viewed on the same criteria as any other 2022.
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I guess my frustration is that he is not able to really excel at any position when he is constantly swapped around the field. I know I can showcase multiple positions but it's usually pitcher +1. As far as his age goes, we continue to see huge 15 yos at tournaments. At 14, he's 6'2", 160 and seems small in comparison. I'm just wondering if they'll see his birthdate and realize he is younger and whether that's a pro or con.
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Welcome to the site. Unless he has been getting early attention from big D1 schools, it's a little early to be worrying too much about that. The benefits of showcases at this point would be to get comfortable with the format, get some unbiased verified measurables posted and hopefully get a look at a broader scope of good players so he has a better idea of what he will be competing against when the recruiting efforts become more serious. As he works on refining his skill set, it will become...
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6'2 160 is not small at all for a freshman. In fact that is very big. I'm not sure where you would be seeing a lot of kids that make him look small. But once you enter HS age doesn't matter anymore. All that matters is graduating class. No coach is going to care about his age. There are plenty of "young" kids with summer birthdays. Would being a grade lower help? Yeah probably, but it's just something you deal with at this point. What your son needs to do is decide which position he wants to...
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Honestly, if you throwing mid 80s at 14 years old he will get a write up at the showcase, even if he doesn’t land a strike. Does it mean anything? not yet. It’s a good experience and it helps them become more relaxed when they are put on the spot to perform. They will usually note projection but 6’2 at 14 isn’t small. My son grew later and we viewed it as a positive. If he could hang when he was smaller, he would be just fine when he grew.
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My strong advice would be for a player to call himself a SS for as long as possible. Coaches always believe that a SS can be moved to any position. My son has a teammate who was a SS through 13U. At 14U he started splitting time equally between SS, 2B and 3B. As a 10th grader he was exclusively a 2B. As an 11th grader he was exclusively at 3B. Yet in PG and PBR lists he is listed as a SS.
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My 2022 is almost in the same boat, including turning 15 in August. In school ball he plays 2B or SS. He is not a SS....In travel he plays 3B and pitches. What has gotten him attention is FB velo, but for showcases he will do both. I think in the end he'll end up being a PO, but for now he's going to hit until he can't. If your 14yo is mid 80s you may start to get attention from schools. My sone had video of him hitting 85.4 over the winter, and got some attention from schools that didn't...
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6'2, 160 at 14 with a mid-80's fastball makes this a simple answer...at least initially. He'll get SERIOUS interest if you're at a quality showcase...and as others have said, it doesn't matter if he can throw a strike or not. Realistically, if he gets much taller, the odds of him being a SS are going to get slimmer and slimmer. A 6'5 kid with a cannon in college is going to be 1) a pitcher or 2) an outfielder....assuming he can bat. I wouldn't worry too much about where he plays in the...
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6’2” 160 throwing mid 80’s at fourteen is very projectable as a D1 pitcher. Maybe stockier, more filled out kids look bigger. But your son has great size for his age. There will be college coaches envisioning him throwing 90 in a couple of years. My son was more interested in being a position player than pitching. He was a varsity shortstop until the travel team moved him to center. In individual showcases he did both the infield and outfield drills and played anywhere in scrimmages. In...
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Post his measurables. By sophomore year you can start to get a pretty good idea.
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Take him to a PBR showcase. They're usually not much more than a hundred bucks and he'll get to see how he stacks up with those in and around his age group. Will also get his numbers/measurable's verified and likely posted on their web site (for college coach's to see). I believe 2 franchises recently opened in CA ( 1 north & 1 south). Google search PBR California and you should find all you need to get your questions answered by the franchisees.
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And I would agree, if you don't have measurables, PBR is a good value.
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As others have said, PBR is best bang for your buck. You didn't mention if pitcher or position.. IMO metrics much more straight forward as a pitcher, obviously more goes into a position player.
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Baseballhs, here are his measurables. 6'4", 205 lbs, LHP/1B/OF, FB max 86mph, FB avg 82-84mph Here are a few other data points. High School: played varsity as a freshman for a Division I team in San Diego. 2.50 ERA in 14 innings, 7 appearances. .220 BA in 46 plate appearances with one HR. Arizona Sophomore Fall Classic: 4 2/3 innings, 9Ks, two hits, no runs
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A few ideas... You have plenty of JC's in your area (Mesa, Grossmont, SDCC.). Contact one of the HC's and ask if he will spend 15 - 20 minutes at his convenience, his field to give your son an honest assessment, purely for reasons of figuring out which pond to fish in. A local JC coach will have enough qualifications, enough peripheral interest that they may be willing to do that for him but enough distance that they will likely do so with honest, if not harsh feedback (particularly knowing...
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A lot will depend on where he goes with velocity. He has the size D1’s love. He needs to get his velocity to 90+ to be a D1 recruit.** You should get him on a travel team or in individual showcases where he can be seen by D1 coaches. At his current measurables he would attract “follow” interest. He should be on a travel team with college contacts who can presell him as a “should see him pitch” recommendation before the events. His pitching coach may be prone to hyperbole. But “a lot of...
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NYCDAD and DESERTDUCK, thanks for the PBR tip. He has played in a PBR tournament, but not a showcase. I will look into it. Would he get an objective assessment at a college camp, or would it be standard boilerplate feedback (get in the gym, work hard in school, etc.)?
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Take him to tryouts for the Top 10 or so travel ball teams in SoCal/AZ. If he makes any of the A teams that is a very good sign. 86 and size will get him D1 offers this coming summer if he has an off speed and can get the ball within the vicinity of the plate. I don't know how much he has been throwing or playing this fall but start making some phone calls to set up workouts. I know a few teams from the travel circuit, I'm sure the CA guys on here can point you in the right direction as well...
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Agree, we know several lefties that are hitting 87-88, but even non P5 D1s are wanting the 90. Granted, done of them are 6'4, and that plays into it. Assuming he isn't maxed out on velo, he projects D1. Take him to some camps at schools he is interested in. If they start falling all over him, you know you are in the right pond.
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If this is the first time he’s hearing this, with that size and metrics I would be shocked. Where the heck are you playing ball at that this kid isn’t already on a ton of radars?!
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College camps - not likely unless they take a particular interest in you. Any assessment, if there is one, will be as you said - boilerplate with probably a positive spin but not likely to be specific direction with regard to which level you should be targeting unless it is clearly lower levels, which does not apply here. The exception would be if you or your travel team coaches know a RC or HC who will be there and ask specifically if they can take a look and give that assessment. Again,...
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PABaseball, thanks for the advice. Do you know how I might start compiling a list of the top SoCal travel teams?
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That is far from what I am seeing. 87-88 as a LHP will get you an offer (D1)
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collegebaseballrecruitingguide, he has heard some positive feedback from a few people, but he hasn't been in the travel ball circuit since the age of eight and has made some major improvements in the last year. He plays on a travel team whose coaches focus on fundamentals and getting better, not on college recruiting. Several people have mentioned more recruiting-focused programs. Sounds like we'll need to consider joining one of them.
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Your son has the frame and measurables to be a sure fire D1 prospect. I would make a list of schools he would like to go to and get in front of them ASAP. 6’4” LHP hitting 86 MPH at such a young age, will have coaches falling over themselves. Personally, I would also convert him to a PO so he can focus on all the small things related to pitching.
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2 LHP kids we play with have documented velos 87-89, and aren't getting anything.
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Do you know how I might start compiling a list of the top SoCal travel teams? If you can't find a PBR event in California you could try Trosky Baseball - they do a lot of events and do measurements. If you do not know who are the top travel teams in SoCal, and you don't know anyone who does, this is what I would do -- I can't promise it will work 100% but I bet it will be close. I would open up MaxPreps in one window, and I would pick a few of the top SoCal baseball teams in the state...
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He plays on a travel team whose coaches focus on fundamentals and getting better, not on college recruiting. Several people have mentioned more recruiting-focused programs. Sounds like we'll need to consider joining one of them. If he went to the AZ Sophomore Cassic I’m guessing the program is somewhat focused on college recruiting, that’s the point of the Classics.
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LousyLefty, good point. He was asked to play as a guest player on a more recruiting-oriented team.
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I would take a look at teams that attended (and did well) Perfect Game WWBA and Jupiter, and USA Baseball Team Championships. The list will include BPA, CBA, GBG, SD Show for starters.
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Varies greatly depending on the region of the country we are talking about. Texas is full of hard throwing pitchers from both sides. Some other areas not so much.
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GBG, CBA, BPA, SD Show, SD Stars, Trosky. There are more, the CA guys on here might be more help - these are just the teams we've run into over the years. You can also go to some of the D1 pages in the area and see who some of the pitchers on UCLA, USC, LB, CSUF, etc played for over the summer in their roster bio or search some of the guys on Perfect Game and see.
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Just browsing PG's rankings for TX 2020s, it looks like at least 90% are committed to colleges in TX, OK, LA. Lots of uncommitted guys (on PG anyway) who on paper could get scholarship offers in the northeast/midatlantic and maybe midwest. What do you think are the main reasons more TX kids don't pursue those opportunities? Weather, finances, level of baseball, juco options, culture?
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I think most Texas kids attend regional tournaments because quality is good. Most of those schools don’t travel that far regularly. I also think those schools don’t try to recruit Texas kids as much because there are so many schools right around here. Arizona (not northeast but same idea) told us that they typically never recruit Texas kids because they can’t get them, they will go somewhere closer to home. That’s all I can come up with. If the schools made the trip out here, strong arms are...
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Great question. I noticed this when Collegebaseballinsights was posting all the data. You would think Texas would be an outlier like California and Florida, sending more of the surplus of good players beyond in-state and neighboring states. Since so many of the other variables are similar, my guess would be that culture moves up the list. It looks like TX has 36 Juco's with baseball. California has 88 - not terribly out of line with population differences, but if anything, that would push...
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The thing Texas has over California is proximity to another hotbed of baseball across the Southeast that is similar culturally to Texas. A Texas kid is going to feel a lot more at home in AR, MS, AL, LA, GA, TN etc than they will in the North East or Midwest. California doesn't really have a cultural equivalent so if the kid is leaving the state he is adjusting to a new culture regardless.
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It's not necessarily the kids choice. Coaches recruit players and usually have the most success recruiting close to home, so this is where they spend their time. It's not easy for kids to convince a coach from other parts of the country to take a look at a kid from CA, TX, etc.
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Agree with this. I grew up in southern California and I can tell you from experience that I, and the majority of my friends/peers, never really seriously considered going outside of California for college. Not that that was right or wrong, it just was. Also, my son went to a few camps out there (early on), mostly because the grandparents still live there, and found that most of the top programs in socal are made up of a very high percentage of California kids. Even more so than you see on...
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I'm from Southern Cal. While it's a fact that Cal schools have mostly Cal kids (similar to other states), i can name dozens of kids who attended and/or were recruited by out of state schools. I personally know kids who played D1 at every Ivy school, most Patriot league schools, Clemson, LSU, New Mexico (both state and U), Arizona (state and U), Miami of Ohio, Indiana, Oregon (State and U), Charleston, Maryland, Washington, Purdue, Nevada, to name a few. As for D3, even more. Coaches will...
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Goosegg, since this thread has gone a little off-track, care to go a little further? What would you suggest are part of a well-thought out plan for a SoCal kid who may have to leave to leave the land of eternal summer to find a good academic and baseball fit? My 2022LHP is strong academically and projects to be D1 (6'1" still growing,throwing low 80's but doesn't have his "man body" muscles yet, 155lbs soaking wet, clearly still in puberty) but who knows...The problem is that many of the...
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How realistic is it to be an Engineering major and a D1 baseball player? I am just throwing it out there because one of my son's teammates was told directly by a school (D3) they prefer not to recruit engineering majors due to the workload..... Just relaying what I heard.