Who are some of the pitchers that hit triple digits on the gun. Leo Mazzone said John Rocker and Smoltz could do it in the bullpen.
(Now don't go on about control, change of speed, movement, etc. This is just a discussion.)
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Look down at Georgia Tech. Jason Neighborgal has hit that velocity repeatedly. Bob Feller is probably regarded as the fastest ever that made it to the majors. He personally claimed he hit 104 MPH.
Nolan Ryan was "officially clocked" back in the 70's by the Guinness Book of World Records at 100.9 MPH.
Bob Feller once traveled to the Aberdeen proving grounds to get clock by the Military (This is prior to the advent of "Radar Guns"). They clocked him at and 98.6 MPH, throwing without a mound.
Ted Williams claimed that Steve Dalkowski was the hardest thrower that ever lived. He stated that he was faster than both Walter Johnson and Bob Feller. He was estimated to have reached 105 MPH, even though he was only 5'8". In the minors, he walked 1350 baters while striking out about 1400. He walked 21 batters in one minor league game and struck out 21 in another. He once threw 120 pitches in only two innings.
One of the early forms of determining pitch speed was by measuring the speed against a motorcycle flying past. That's how they clocked Walter Johnson back in the early 1900's at 99.7 MPH.
After the advent of the Radar gun, the fun was taken out of it.
Her are a few of the perhaps 50+ members of the highly unofficial "100 MPH club" in Major League Baseball.
Mark Wohlers, 103.0 mph, 1995
Armando Benitez, 102.0 mph, 2002
Randy Johnson, 102.0 mph, 07-09-2004
Robb Nen, 102.0 mph, 10-23-1997
Rob Dibble, 101.0 mph, 1992
Kyle Farnsworth, 101.0 mph, 05-27-2004
Eric Gagne, 101.0 mph, 04-16-2004
Jose Mesa, 101.0 mph, 1993
Guillermo Mota, 101.0 mph, 07-24-2002
Billy Wagner, 101.0 mph, 04-16-2004
Billy Wagner, 101.0 mph, 06-11-2003
Nolan Ryan, 100.9 mph, 08-20-1974
Josh Beckett, 100.0 mph, 10-12-2003
Roger Clemens, 100.0 mph, 10-10-2001
Francisco Cordero, 100.0 mph, 07-07-2004
Jorge Julio, 100.0 mph, 09-16-2004
Ben Sheets, 100.0 mph, 07-10-2004
J.R. Richard, 100.0 mph, 1976
C.C. Sabathia, 100.0 mph, 2002
There are lots of sites you can go scan to research it. One of the best sites to find out this kind of information (and one of my favorites) is the Baseball Almanac If you've never visited it before, you can loose yourself in there for a couple days.
Nolan Ryan was "officially clocked" back in the 70's by the Guinness Book of World Records at 100.9 MPH.
Bob Feller once traveled to the Aberdeen proving grounds to get clock by the Military (This is prior to the advent of "Radar Guns"). They clocked him at and 98.6 MPH, throwing without a mound.
Ted Williams claimed that Steve Dalkowski was the hardest thrower that ever lived. He stated that he was faster than both Walter Johnson and Bob Feller. He was estimated to have reached 105 MPH, even though he was only 5'8". In the minors, he walked 1350 baters while striking out about 1400. He walked 21 batters in one minor league game and struck out 21 in another. He once threw 120 pitches in only two innings.
One of the early forms of determining pitch speed was by measuring the speed against a motorcycle flying past. That's how they clocked Walter Johnson back in the early 1900's at 99.7 MPH.
After the advent of the Radar gun, the fun was taken out of it.
Her are a few of the perhaps 50+ members of the highly unofficial "100 MPH club" in Major League Baseball.
Mark Wohlers, 103.0 mph, 1995
Armando Benitez, 102.0 mph, 2002
Randy Johnson, 102.0 mph, 07-09-2004
Robb Nen, 102.0 mph, 10-23-1997
Rob Dibble, 101.0 mph, 1992
Kyle Farnsworth, 101.0 mph, 05-27-2004
Eric Gagne, 101.0 mph, 04-16-2004
Jose Mesa, 101.0 mph, 1993
Guillermo Mota, 101.0 mph, 07-24-2002
Billy Wagner, 101.0 mph, 04-16-2004
Billy Wagner, 101.0 mph, 06-11-2003
Nolan Ryan, 100.9 mph, 08-20-1974
Josh Beckett, 100.0 mph, 10-12-2003
Roger Clemens, 100.0 mph, 10-10-2001
Francisco Cordero, 100.0 mph, 07-07-2004
Jorge Julio, 100.0 mph, 09-16-2004
Ben Sheets, 100.0 mph, 07-10-2004
J.R. Richard, 100.0 mph, 1976
C.C. Sabathia, 100.0 mph, 2002
There are lots of sites you can go scan to research it. One of the best sites to find out this kind of information (and one of my favorites) is the Baseball Almanac If you've never visited it before, you can loose yourself in there for a couple days.
I was talking to an area scout with Tampa Bay last night and he told me that Neihborgahl hit 102 this summer at the Cape. Problem is Jason is just having a hard time finding the plate. I saw him pitch in Little League and High School. He is from Riverside High School in Durham NC.
A friend and I were talking about Neighborgal on Sunday. We figure if he'd just relax and throw the ball in there at 93-94, his ball would dance all over the place and he'd be a devastating pitcher. That extra 6-7 MPH is mighty tough to control.
It's going to be interesting to see what happens this spring down at Georgia Tech. From what I heard, he did much better (control wise) after he left the Cape.
Look out for Daniel Bard (UNC) to possibly break that 100 MPH barrier this spring.
It's going to be interesting to see what happens this spring down at Georgia Tech. From what I heard, he did much better (control wise) after he left the Cape.
Look out for Daniel Bard (UNC) to possibly break that 100 MPH barrier this spring.
As drafted in the 7th rnd in 2002 by Boston, & with a power arm reaching 98 MPH+ {& with first round talent) it will be interesting to determine what parent club will pull the trigger and when in June 05 Amateur draft, & what is the forecast for his future.
PhoenixDad...they had motorcycles that could go 100 mph in the early 1900's? 
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Originally posted by DaddyBo:
PhoenixDad...they had motorcycles that could go 100 mph in the early 1900's?
I think it was around 1920 ... but the "Motorcycle" does pre-date the Automobile. Henry Ford didn't invent the car ... he just polished of the manufacturing method.The land speed record dates from 1898. They broke 100 back in 1904.
"One of the early forms of determining pitch speed was by measuring the speed against a motorcycle flying past."
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They had trains that could do it in the 1890s. I know a lot about measuring bb speed and never heard about motorcycles. Early methods measured how far one could throw a bb in one second which could be measured very accurately.
But that would measure average, not peak speed.
Easiest primative way to measure speed is to simply see how far a ball can be thrown. 300 feet in the air takes about 90 mph. Ball thrown at 30-45 degrees.
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They had trains that could do it in the 1890s. I know a lot about measuring bb speed and never heard about motorcycles. Early methods measured how far one could throw a bb in one second which could be measured very accurately.
But that would measure average, not peak speed.
Easiest primative way to measure speed is to simply see how far a ball can be thrown. 300 feet in the air takes about 90 mph. Ball thrown at 30-45 degrees.
I got to see Neighborgal pitch against Miami a couple of years ago. One thing about a 100 mph fastball--It sure leaves the ball park in a hurry!!!
100 mph on the JUGS GUN. Neighborgall reached 96 mph (STALKER) on scout day this fall and 1/2 his pitches were to the backstop.
Alot of your hard throwers fastball was helped by STERIODS. I have seen Rob Dibble was 100 mph and know for a fact he was on ROIDS. His roomies/teammate had such nice stories to say about Dibble
Alot of your hard throwers fastball was helped by STERIODS. I have seen Rob Dibble was 100 mph and know for a fact he was on ROIDS. His roomies/teammate had such nice stories to say about Dibble
DIBBLE
That is quite an accusation !!!
And you have the facts ????
That is quite an accusation !!!
And you have the facts ????
Dibble
I'd edit that post if I were you .. it's pretty careless with the facts.
Last I heard, "Roids" wasn't an issue in the days of Walter Johnson or Bob Feller.
I'd edit that post if I were you .. it's pretty careless with the facts.
Last I heard, "Roids" wasn't an issue in the days of Walter Johnson or Bob Feller.
Neighborgahl threw 96 in HS I saw him pitch and I have known him since he was 8 years old. He is a great kid. I can tell you one thing he aint on steroids. All you have to do is look at him. He still looks like hes never even been in the weight room. As far as Daniel Bard I saw him a couple of weeks ago at UNC pitcher catcher camp. He is 95 96 and so fluid and effortless doing it. I wouldnt be surprised if he couldnt hit 100 right now. The thing about him is he can pitch too not just throw hard. And that boy is put together.
Coach May ...
Did you see Andrew Miller pitch last year? I didn't make it to any of the weekend games for UNC.
From what I hear, he's a book-end to Bard ... just as effortless and just as hard.
Did you see Andrew Miller pitch last year? I didn't make it to any of the weekend games for UNC.
From what I hear, he's a book-end to Bard ... just as effortless and just as hard.
Yes I saw him twice. Yeah he is effortless just like Bard and just as hard. Bard just has a bigger stronger body thats all. Miller Ive been told eats all the time and works his butt off but just cant gain any weight. They have a pitching staff that is out of this world. If they can find some offense I wouldnt be surprised if they did some real damage this year. By the way does your son play at Elon?
Word last spring/summer was Colin Mahoney C/P from Clemson reach 100 and was then drafted by the Detroit Tigers as a pitcher. He had less then 25 innings under his belt..
I know that Miller/Bard are getting all of the press because of their potential ...
But Robert Woodard was their best freshman pitcher last year. He went 8-2 on the season.
Throw in Matt Danforth and Rob Wooten will both be back from a red-shirt year and they have a very promising crop of freshmen coming in.
In answer to your question ... yes, starting this fall.
But Robert Woodard was their best freshman pitcher last year. He went 8-2 on the season.
Throw in Matt Danforth and Rob Wooten will both be back from a red-shirt year and they have a very promising crop of freshmen coming in.
In answer to your question ... yes, starting this fall.
Apparently some people have trouble reading. Said Dibble used roids. His 2 teammates, who also roomed with him are the source.
You forgot this was the same guy who used to nail base runners who bunted on him, brawled with his manager Lou Pinella ON TV Much less.
Nailed a school teacher in the stands with a ball he tossed in the stands.
Roids will make you throw harder and also make you a nut case too with mood swings.
Steroids have been around since 1930's a little country that makes BMW's used to them to try to improve performance during the 1936 Olympics. They became very popular with a country famous for vodka in the 1950's.
You forgot this was the same guy who used to nail base runners who bunted on him, brawled with his manager Lou Pinella ON TV Much less.
Nailed a school teacher in the stands with a ball he tossed in the stands.
Roids will make you throw harder and also make you a nut case too with mood swings.
Steroids have been around since 1930's a little country that makes BMW's used to them to try to improve performance during the 1936 Olympics. They became very popular with a country famous for vodka in the 1950's.
The post about taking something off the pitches to get more movement is interesting. It makes me wonder:
Do these great arms have big hands and fingers or small hands and fingers? It would seem logical to learn how to mix speeds. But once you get above, say, 97 mph, is 90 a changeup or is it giving the hopelessly overmatched hitter a chance to catch up?
It would also seem to me that if the pitcher's hands/fingers are small, it would be harder to do as much with movement. But it would also seem that at 97 or higher, especially if you can acquire any notion of location, you don't have to worry about movement.
Comments?
Do these great arms have big hands and fingers or small hands and fingers? It would seem logical to learn how to mix speeds. But once you get above, say, 97 mph, is 90 a changeup or is it giving the hopelessly overmatched hitter a chance to catch up?
It would also seem to me that if the pitcher's hands/fingers are small, it would be harder to do as much with movement. But it would also seem that at 97 or higher, especially if you can acquire any notion of location, you don't have to worry about movement.
Comments?
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Originally posted by Dibble:
Alot of your hard throwers fastball was helped by STERIODS.
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Originally posted by Dibble:
Apparently some people have trouble reading. Said Dibble used roids. His 2 teammates, who also roomed with him are the source.
Dibble ... I guess you are the one who has trouble reading what you type. In a thread that is talking about a COLLEGE pitcher, you used a pretty big generality.
2nd: That's a pretty broad brush you are painting with ... "A LOT of hard throwers" covers a huge amount of ground.
OldVAMan ....
I don't know if it's the size of the hand really. It's how tight of a spin you can get on the ball and I've seen smaller guys get great spin and huge guys with big hands that can't get much spin at all.
If your FB is straight, they are going to catch up with it. You can't be a sucessful 1 pitch guy with no movement. Mariano Rivera is (more or less) a 1 pitch guy, but he gets tremendous movement on the ball.
Also, the harder you throw, the more important the difference between FB/Change up becomes. You may need 15+ MPH difference for someone who's throwing in the high 90's. For someone throwing 87-88, a 7-8 MPH difference may be enough to get the hitter off-stride and out in front of the pitch.