Is anyone getting questions or flack about rule changes for 2007?
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The only question I have heard about was the coach's box rule. We have a wanderer that also seems to have the weird stuff happen to him. Everytime Fed puts in a strange rule he gets bit by it and I'm usually the PU when it happens.
I explained it doesn't change how we will enforce the rule as long as the other manager doesn't complain.
He asked why "we"(read umpires) keep coming up with off the wall stuff like this. I told him I was pretty sure it was from the coaches side that it came from. Umpires really don't care if they stand or near, beside or even behind the box as long as they creating a problem. We only worry when the manager causes us to have to worry about it.
Are you you getting a specific question or just general complaints. It seems to be a pretty light year for changes. The only real big change is defensive malicious contact. It's always been there just not made a big deal.
I explained it doesn't change how we will enforce the rule as long as the other manager doesn't complain.
He asked why "we"(read umpires) keep coming up with off the wall stuff like this. I told him I was pretty sure it was from the coaches side that it came from. Umpires really don't care if they stand or near, beside or even behind the box as long as they creating a problem. We only worry when the manager causes us to have to worry about it.
Are you you getting a specific question or just general complaints. It seems to be a pretty light year for changes. The only real big change is defensive malicious contact. It's always been there just not made a big deal.
I haven't seen the new rules yet... So are they going to make us stand in the box (even if Bluto the right hand pull-monster is batting off Sam "Slush-Ball Sausage)??
Pretty much just got tired of seeing the topic of titanium necklaces at the top of the list. I agree that it's a pretty light year for changes. Just hear a few rumblings, but nothing major. Coach's box doesn't seem to be a big deal to me, but apparently some coaches must've heard something different than I did.
Appears they messed up the rule about the pitcher going to his mouth.
Appears they messed up the rule about the pitcher going to his mouth.
What can you tell me about the going to the mouth rule....
It surely can't top the "if the ump yells foul ball snafu" from a couple of years ago....
It surely can't top the "if the ump yells foul ball snafu" from a couple of years ago....
As I understand it, it is now a BALL anytime a pitcher goes to his mouth on the rubber, or goes to his mouth off the rubber and does not wipe it off.
The ball to the mouth rule is screwed up in the rulebook and casebook. Our interpreter said to call what was a balk last year a ball this year. He said if you try to deduce from the rulebook you will get it wrong.
quote:Posted January 30, 2007 07:44 PM I haven't seen the new rules yet... So are they going to make us stand in the box (even if Bluto the right hand pull-monster is batting off Sam "Slush-Ball Sausage)??
No, not really. As I told the one manager it really won't be any different than last year unless the opposing coach says something.
IF and only if the opposing manager questions the other manager do you enforce it strictly. At that point you warn BOTH coaches that they need to stay in the boxes. If anybody leaves the coach's box between the time the batter steps in and the pitch then the manager is restricted to the dugout. The important part is it doesn't have to the one getting restricted. It could a coach or player/coach in the other box. For subsequent violations you restrict the violater. It makes no difference if it is a coach or player.
Checked the NFHS website yesterday. They have some updates regarding the pitching rule. Double checked with a friend who is associated with the NFHS and he said those were correct. He wrote them last week to try and clear up the issue.
From the NFHS website:
SITUATION 7: While off the pitching plate, F1 goes to his mouth with his pitching hand. He distinctly wipes it off on his pants and then assumes a pitching position on the pitching plate. RULING: This is legal. There has been no violation by the pitcher. (6-2-1e)
SITUATION 8: While off the pitching plate, F1 goes to his mouth with his pitching hand. Without wiping his pitching hand, he gets on the pitching plate and assumes the windup position with his hands together in front of his body. RULING: A ball shall be called and added to the batter's count. (6-2-1e penalty)
SITUATION 9: While on the pitching plate in the windup position, the pitcher has both hands at his side. He brings his pitching hand to his mouth and then distinctly wipes it. RULING: This is legal and there has been no violation by the pitcher. (6-2-1e)
SITUATION 10: While on the pitching plate in the windup position, the pitcher has his glove hand in front of his body. He brings his pitching hand to his mouth and, without wiping it, brings his pitching hand to the ball, which is in the glove. RULING: This is a violation by the pitcher and a ball shall be called and added to the batter's count. (6-2-1e penalty)
SITUATION 11: While on the pitching plate in the windup position, the pitcher has his hands together in front of his body. He then brings his pitching hand to his mouth and returns it to his glove. RULING: This is an illegal pitch by the pitcher. A balk will be called if there are runners on base. If the bases are empty, a ball will be added to the batter's count. (6-1-2 penalty)
SITUATION 12: While on the pitching plate in the stretch position, the pitcher has the ball in his glove hand and his pitching hand is at his side. He brings his pitching hand to his mouth, distinctly wipes it and returns it to his side. RULING: This is legal and there has been no violation by the pitcher. (6-2-1e)
SITUATION 13: While on the pitching plate in the stretch position, the pitcher has the ball in his glove and his pitching hand at his side. He brings his pitching hand to his side and then becomes set with both hands together. RULING: This is a violation as the pitcher did not distinctly wipe his pitching hand after going with it to his mouth. A ball shall be added to the batter's count. (6-2-1e penalty)
SITUATION 14: While on the pitching plate in the stretch position, the pitcher becomes legally set with his hands together in front of his body. He then brings his hand to his mouth and returns it to his gloved hand. RULING: This is an illegal pitch by the pitcher. A balk will be called if there are runners on base. If the bases are empty, a ball will be added to the batter's count. (6-1-3 penalty)
From the NFHS website:
SITUATION 7: While off the pitching plate, F1 goes to his mouth with his pitching hand. He distinctly wipes it off on his pants and then assumes a pitching position on the pitching plate. RULING: This is legal. There has been no violation by the pitcher. (6-2-1e)
SITUATION 8: While off the pitching plate, F1 goes to his mouth with his pitching hand. Without wiping his pitching hand, he gets on the pitching plate and assumes the windup position with his hands together in front of his body. RULING: A ball shall be called and added to the batter's count. (6-2-1e penalty)
SITUATION 9: While on the pitching plate in the windup position, the pitcher has both hands at his side. He brings his pitching hand to his mouth and then distinctly wipes it. RULING: This is legal and there has been no violation by the pitcher. (6-2-1e)
SITUATION 10: While on the pitching plate in the windup position, the pitcher has his glove hand in front of his body. He brings his pitching hand to his mouth and, without wiping it, brings his pitching hand to the ball, which is in the glove. RULING: This is a violation by the pitcher and a ball shall be called and added to the batter's count. (6-2-1e penalty)
SITUATION 11: While on the pitching plate in the windup position, the pitcher has his hands together in front of his body. He then brings his pitching hand to his mouth and returns it to his glove. RULING: This is an illegal pitch by the pitcher. A balk will be called if there are runners on base. If the bases are empty, a ball will be added to the batter's count. (6-1-2 penalty)
SITUATION 12: While on the pitching plate in the stretch position, the pitcher has the ball in his glove hand and his pitching hand is at his side. He brings his pitching hand to his mouth, distinctly wipes it and returns it to his side. RULING: This is legal and there has been no violation by the pitcher. (6-2-1e)
SITUATION 13: While on the pitching plate in the stretch position, the pitcher has the ball in his glove and his pitching hand at his side. He brings his pitching hand to his side and then becomes set with both hands together. RULING: This is a violation as the pitcher did not distinctly wipe his pitching hand after going with it to his mouth. A ball shall be added to the batter's count. (6-2-1e penalty)
SITUATION 14: While on the pitching plate in the stretch position, the pitcher becomes legally set with his hands together in front of his body. He then brings his hand to his mouth and returns it to his gloved hand. RULING: This is an illegal pitch by the pitcher. A balk will be called if there are runners on base. If the bases are empty, a ball will be added to the batter's count. (6-1-3 penalty)
So,If someone wanted to intentionally walk a batter, he could go to the mouth ilegally 4 straight times and avoid making a wild/bad throw to the catcher? Would anyone consider this unsportsmen like and how would you handle?
I'm trying to remember if NFHS requires you to throw an IBB anyway, or if you can just wave him to first. Someone help jar my memory on that.
I will tell you a story. Under LL rules, any balk move is an "illegal pitch" and the penalty is a called ball, no advancement on the bases. Although I never IBB'ed a kid in rec league play, I did prepare for an all star elimination game in which we knew there was one big stick kid that we didn't want to beat us. Sure enough, he comes up with one out, man on second in a tough situation.
I had our guy go through his windup, bring his arm around, but hold onto the ball, four times. That created an intentional walk without the ball getting loose, which with Little Leaguers unaccustomed to the situation, I considered a likely risk.
The other team went absolutely bonkers about this. They kind of lost their brains for a while, which allowed us to escape the inning just as we'd hoped.
But before you think I got to pat myself on the back over this: We blew our lead in the bottom of the 6th when the potential third out was simply thrown wildly away. Then we lost in extra innings.
But I think you could still pull this move in LL play, if you want.
I will tell you a story. Under LL rules, any balk move is an "illegal pitch" and the penalty is a called ball, no advancement on the bases. Although I never IBB'ed a kid in rec league play, I did prepare for an all star elimination game in which we knew there was one big stick kid that we didn't want to beat us. Sure enough, he comes up with one out, man on second in a tough situation.
I had our guy go through his windup, bring his arm around, but hold onto the ball, four times. That created an intentional walk without the ball getting loose, which with Little Leaguers unaccustomed to the situation, I considered a likely risk.
The other team went absolutely bonkers about this. They kind of lost their brains for a while, which allowed us to escape the inning just as we'd hoped.
But before you think I got to pat myself on the back over this: We blew our lead in the bottom of the 6th when the potential third out was simply thrown wildly away. Then we lost in extra innings.
But I think you could still pull this move in LL play, if you want.
quote:Originally posted by Midlo Dad:
I'm trying to remember if NFHS requires you to throw an IBB anyway, or if you can just wave him to first. Someone help jar my memory on that.
You can wave if you want, and either before the 1st pitch or on any subsequent count.
IIB in FED is a dead ball and he is awarded first,no pitches thrown.
In LL, with the new pitch count rule, the IBB is also an award if no pitches have benn thrown. If you are into the count you have to throw. In your case of creating four illegal pitches that was illegal. I don't have last year's book but there was a penalty for such action. This year it makes no difference.
In LL, with the new pitch count rule, the IBB is also an award if no pitches have benn thrown. If you are into the count you have to throw. In your case of creating four illegal pitches that was illegal. I don't have last year's book but there was a penalty for such action. This year it makes no difference.
The book I have is 2006’s, and Rule 2-4-3 says, An intentional base on balls may be given by the defensive team by having its catcher or coach request the umpire to award the batter first base. This may be done before pitching to the batter or on any ball and strike count. the ball shall be declared dead before making the award.
I may be being picky, but that’s very much different than the LLI rule that says you have to throw if there’s been any pitches.
I may be being picky, but that’s very much different than the LLI rule that says you have to throw if there’s been any pitches.
That's what I said, just not very well. 
quote:SITUATION 13: While on the pitching plate in the stretch position, the pitcher has the ball in his glove and his pitching hand at his side. He brings his pitching hand to his side and then becomes set with both hands together. RULING: This is a violation as the pitcher did not distinctly wipe his pitching hand after going with it to his mouth. A ball shall be added to the batter's count. (6-2-1e penalty)
In SITUATION 13 I don't understand why as written this is a violation. Nowhere does this state the pitcher went to his mouth.
quote:He brings his pitching hand to his side and then becomes set with both hands together.
In this sentence the word "side" is supposed to be "mouth".
the thing to remember with the going to the mouth rule is that the ball must be live, if the ball is live, the pitcher may go to his mouth whether in contact with the pitcher plate or not in contact with it. he must then distinctly wipe it off before he joins hands. the penalty- a ball is awarded the batter.