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@Master P posted:

Just out of curiosity, how much weight did he lose during the basketball season?

This is a problem for baseball players. My son started his growth burst towards the end of summer heading into high school. By spring he was 5’11 135. Strength was an issue because basketball took away from the time he could have spent strength training. He also couldn’t gain weight despite eating like a horse. He was talented enough to start on varsity freshman year on a bad team. But, upper body strength wise he was a little boy compared to varsity players.

We were shocked he was cut from the basketball program soph year. He skipped freshman ball for JV freshman year. He started at point. People who knew the game expected him to start at point and defend the top scorer. The coach told him he was already playing varsity soccer, would be playing varsity baseball in the spring and never showed up for “optional” offseason basketball work. He cut him altogether. That winter he focused on getting stronger. He went from not making varsity freshman year to first team all conference soph year. He was now driving the ball hard. Junior year he got elevation (homers) on his hits.

It was amusing to have a former ten year NBA veteran dad yelling at the coach  “Your best point guard is sitting in the stands” when the team struggled with traps. After a few games my son politely asked him to stop.

Still going good. 4 scrimmages down against 5A teams (we are 4A). "Won" all 4 pretty easily. We have used 8 different pitchers with no more then 2 innings in a game. One more scrimmage this Friday, then first tournament next week (BorderOlympics). Should be a good trip down south. Scheduled to play some good teams (5A, 6A, and 1 independent (private school)).

HS season for my kid started like last season… bench warmer and no opportunity on the mound.  Luckily he’s turned it around quickly and is back to batting cleanup and starting to earn more innings on the mound.

I’d like to say it’s isolated, but on our particular team, 3 IF positions and 1 OF position have swapped to the ‘better’ player.  Coaches anointed kids from tryouts and preseason that were definitely not the best players.  It’s a little baffling that our coaches get it that wrong year over year.  maybe I’m being too harsh.  I appreciate the time these coaches put into the program for not a lot of pay.  But… 🤯

Ha ha!  Yeah.  I get both sides.  Going to be interesting here when we start next week.  However, the coaches (here) are going off mostly indoor practice, hitting off machines.  Some kids are great practice kids, others are gamers….  That being said I know several people are questioning the starting line up.  Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.

My son is a freshman and I am new to this. I am wondering why and how the hs teams play in tournaments.  To my knowledge neither our JV or varsity plays in anything but league play. Our program seems much less intense than others. Even winter workouts were basically about 6 weeks once or twice a week in the gym. Does it depend on the coach whether they are willing to put in the extra time? Or the  school budget?

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@BB328 posted:

My son is a freshman and I am new to this. I am wondering why and how the hs teams play in tournaments.  To my knowledge neither our JV or varsity plays in anything but league play. Our program seems much less intense than others. Even winter workouts were basically about 6 weeks once or twice a week in the gym. Does it depend on the coach whether they are willing to put in the extra time? Or the  school budget?

  If you want good feedback you need to provide more information. What part of the country do you live in? What size HS does your son attend??
  It astounds me that people make generic posts, with no details, and expect helpful comments. That’s not how it works!

@BB328 posted:

My son is a freshman and I am new to this. I am wondering why and how the hs teams play in tournaments.  To my knowledge neither our JV or varsity plays in anything but league play. Our program seems much less intense than others. Even winter workouts were basically about 6 weeks once or twice a week in the gym. Does it depend on the coach whether they are willing to put in the extra time? Or the  school budget?

My son played in one of the most competitive districts in the HS baseball hotbed of southern Texas. There were perennial powerhouse schools and schools that gave baseball very little effort. It's hard to know much about your son's program from the info provided, but I would just say HS baseball should be fun for the athlete and parent. IMO if your son projects to play beyond HS, the growth will likely come from activities outside the HS program (unless your son is in an elite HS program).  

@BB328 posted:

My son is a freshman and I am new to this. I am wondering why and how the hs teams play in tournaments.  To my knowledge neither our JV or varsity plays in anything but league play. Our program seems much less intense than others. Even winter workouts were basically about 6 weeks once or twice a week in the gym. Does it depend on the coach whether they are willing to put in the extra time? Or the  school budget?

My son’s coach turned a perennial doormat into a conference champion. His third fourth and fifth seasons were my son’s soph to senior years. The team came in second and two firsts.

The team went from no offseason plan and no fall ball to a M-F off season plan and fall ball.

The reason for playing in tournaments may vary from state to state. When my son played, in our state teams were allowed to play twenty-two regular season games. But a tournament counted as one event/game. A four or five game tournament only counted as one game. The  tournament games didn’t count in the record and the ranking formula. So, tournaments were a good way to put players in real competition to see if they genuinely deserved to start.

Our coach ran summer camps to fundraise for the baseball team. We also had a major community wide fundraiser to upgrade the baseball and softball fields and facilities.  

The new coach and how organized he was and his talent as a coach didn’t just elevate the talent. A lot of talent previously lured away by privates and Catholics in the stayed in the school district.

It all started with a new DA deciding the high school was too big (6A) to be a doormat in everything but country club sports (four CCs within the district boundaries). However, one of my favorite lines was the football coach telling me it was a challenge recruiting football players off the mean streets of the country clubs.

We are a 6A in TX and have baseball class everyday. I think a lot of the powerhouse programs do. We actually have class for all sports. So off season is class and “optional” after school practice run by the kids with the coaches watching on golf carts and in spring it is class the last hour of the day that continues into practice after school.

Ditto. In general, there's a regionality (including WEATHER) and sociocultural differences at play. Kid wrapped up a big HS preseason tourney of 26 teams with top HS teams from all over: soCal, Hawaii, AZ, MS. PLUS there was another big PBR tourney with great teams going on simultaneously as well.  YES, $$$ matters, as you can imagine how expensive team travel can be. At one point we had >110 kids in our program. You know what they say, everything is bigger in Texas... and yes, understand that  bigger is not always better

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So we are in the Northeast small public high school about 800 students. Coaches have played college baseball. I think our JV season is about 20-22 games. No baseball class or any sports specific classes of any kind. They have a,short winter workout program obviously limited by the weather and space we have. There are plenty of kids who play travel and we do have some good players. But to gave you an idea of skill level  I think we had 4 senior college commits last year mostly D3. Our league is not super competitive. We do win alot.

As far tournaments I don't know of any hs team tournaments here. Travel ball and tournaments at HS age with rare exception completely stop during school ball unless a kid goes to guest play down South somewhere.

My son would be so excited to play for some of the programs other posters describe above.

I think for  my son it's more about playing with school friends right now then anything else.

@BB328 posted:

So we are in the Northeast small public high school about 800 students. Coaches have played college baseball. I think our JV season is about 20-22 games. No baseball class or any sports specific classes of any kind. They have a,short winter workout program obviously limited by the weather and space we have. There are plenty of kids who play travel and we do have some good players. But to gave you an idea of skill level  I think we had 4 senior college commits last year mostly D3. Our league is not super competitive. We do win alot.

As far tournaments I don't know of any hs team tournaments here. Travel ball and tournaments at HS age with rare exception completely stop during school ball unless a kid goes to guest play down South somewhere.

My son would be so excited to play for some of the programs other posters describe above.

I think for  my son it's more about playing with school friends right now then anything else.

Our Mid Atlantic/northeast high school had after school indoor workouts alternating between baseball skills and physical training from November through February. There were also 5:45am workouts for baseball players playing a winter sport.

The coach made an arrangement with a nearby baseball facility where the kids could go in and hit during certain hours in the winter for $10 per month. Players were expected to show up March 1 in mid season physical form. The team traveled to South Carolina for tournaments.

Before the new coach showed up one or two kids from each class might go D3. Two of the three winning seasons out of the previous twenty seasons a 7th round pick put the team on his back. After the new coach came on twelve of my son’s junior year roster played college ball at some level. Three played P5. Two more played for a ranked D2.

So far this season has sucked.  Rain and wet fields all the time (usual for this time of the year), broken lawnmowers, my JV pitchers can't throw strike to save their lives, absolutely no discipline or commitment from a majority of our players, between JV and varsity we are off to an 0-5 start 3 of the 5 haven't really been close one of the other ones we made either 5 or 6 errors and lost to a really really bad team, the other game we led 10-9 vs the #4 team in the state (in a class lower than ours) going into the 7th but gave up 7 runs in the top of the 7th to lose it 16-10 because we only have one guy in the entire program that can consistently throw strikes.  To top it off our team acted like idiots all night, I have been embarrassed by the baseball product we have put on the field before but I have never been so embarrassed by the way that they conducted themselves as I was that night. 

Sorry for the rant.

@JucoDad posted:

My son played in one of the most competitive districts in the HS baseball hotbed of southern Texas. There were perennial powerhouse schools and schools that gave baseball very little effort. It's hard to know much about your son's program from the info provided, but I would just say HS baseball should be fun for the athlete and parent. IMO if your son projects to play beyond HS, the growth will likely come from activities outside the HS program (unless your son is in an elite HS program).  

I think we have 70-72 players about evenly spread Soph, JV, and Varsity.  I think it’s solely so the coach doesn’t worry about complaining parents but maybe it’s fund raising.  I’d say he is actually trying to let players develop but that would be contrary to reality.  Our Soph team is essentially equal playing time.  JV is same until district.  Varsity is just a mess IMO.  We live in a baseball hotbed btw with 95% of our kids (and most other schools too) playing year round travel ball before they enter HS  

I‘m only a couple of years into HS baseball, but if wasn’t for the fun and social aspects of being involved with HS sports (for my son and me), I’d just pull him out and have him train like he does in the fall.  He’d make bigger gains.  Our HS doesn’t have a baseball weight training program, Zero lockers for baseball players, and generally football coaches handling sub varsity.  So pretty much an ‘who cares’ sport despite 110 kids trying out every year.  All the while, we have one of the better talent pools in our district but not great coaching.  

I’ll also reiterate what I learned here and from my son’s various coaches pre-HS - be utility, be explosive or fast (base running and hitting), and if you hit you will play.  All are very valuable assets that play well in HS.  

We just got back from our opening weekend going to Dallas to play a couple games.  Beat a good 15-1 Grapevine team even though we didn't see their top arms. Then beat Denton Braswell today.

The boy went 4 shutout innings against Grapevine, 0H, 8K's was 91-94 in the first inning.  The 4 walks are concerning but not a bad first outing.

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