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The following article was published in one of the NY papers this morning. I find it extremely un-nerving, and hope that many of you do, as well:



OBSCENE FANS AT RUTGERS DRAW A PENALTY FLAG

Mark Di Ionno / The NJ Star Ledger

Tuesday, September 11, 2007

The play came late in the game, when Rutgers expanded its lead over Navy to a comfortable level after a tight three quarters.

Navy's Reggie Campbell took the kickoff and ran full speed ahead up the middle with all the force his 168-pound body could generate. Campbell, almost always the smallest and fastest man on the field, hit a wall of ***L-sized scarlet jerseys and was slammed to the ground at the bottom of the pile. He got up slowly, limping off. This gutsy kid, a slotback who already spent three quarters being chased and tackled by gangs of defensive linemen and linebackers, all weighing at least 100 pounds more than him, was then given a dose of Rutgers' student section class.

''You got f---ed up. You got f---ed up. You got f--ed-up," they chanted.

Reggie Campbell is a senior. After graduation in June he has a five-year commitment to the American military, which, like it or not, is at war.

"This is how you treat people who may die for this country?" said Bill Squires, an Annapolis graduate (Class of'75) who was on the sidelines for the Friday night game in Piscataway and was shocked by the obscene chants directed at the Navy players and fans throughout the game. "It was the most classless thing I've seen."

Navy was booed and peppered with "You suck!" chants when they stepped on the field for both halves. Toward the end of the second half, Rutgers students in the new bleacher section began to serenade the adjacent section of Navy fans and uniformed Midshipmen.

''F--- you, Navy. F---you, Navy. F--- you, Navy."

"There were wives and small children up there," said Squires, an academic recruiter for the academy who has been to dozens of away games and never seen such contempt directed at his team. "Our Midshipmen reacted the way they were taught. They didn't respond, but the band started playing 'Anchors Aweigh' to drown them out. Me, I felt like going up there and smacking somebody. I was mad, and it bothered me all weekend."

Booing, cursing, chanting obscenities, unfortunately, are now part of the game day experience. It's easily been three decades since fans across the country in all sports began spending more time and creative energy jeering the visitors and officials than cheering the home team. Rutgers is far from the worst. They're not even the worst in New Jersey, not with the Jets' fans still in town. Still, every penalty against the Scarlet Knights is greeted with a chant of "a--hole, a--hole, a--hole."

And now that Rutgers is winning, the long-suffering, self-effacing adult fans are being drowned out by a new generation of weight-room bully boys in scarlet T-shirts and red face-paint, who, from the safety of their seats, belittle the guys down on the field who take the hits.

Now that Rutgers is big-time, the old-time academic- and adult-minded fans are being elbowed aside by gangs of frat boys thrusting their fists and faces into the rolling ESPN cameras. What was it your old football coach used to say? Act like you've been there before. Not in the RU student section.

"At one point, I thought, we defend this country for people like this?" said Squires, who lives in West Orange. "I wasn't embarassed as a New Jerseyan. I was embarassed as a human being."

It was so noticeable that Rutgers athletic director Bob Mulcahy called down to Navy athletic director Chet Gladchuk yesterday to make sure there were no hard feelings, according to John Wooding, an assistant AD at Rutgers.

Some will excuse the behavior as kids just being kids, out to have a loutish, drunken good time. Spewing obscenities at the visiting team is just part of the fun.

But you'd hope our Jersey kids would be smart enough to make an exception for the service academies, especially the weekend before the anniversary of Sept. 11, their generation's own Day of Infamy. You'd hope they'd be sensitive enough to realize that some of those Midshipmen may soon be among the young American men and women fighting and bleeding and dying in Iraq and Afghanistan. Young Americans, the same age as those safe in the stands watching a football game with their faces and bodies painted red.

At the very least, you'd think the Rutgers students would have some appreciation for the effort the undersize Navy players put out. They aren't like the players from Louisville or West Virginia or some of the other ranked powerhouses Rutgers now finds itself among. They are what Rutgers was not so many years ago. Students first, athletes second. Except better.

The new Rutgers is a big-time football school, with all the hype and manufactured drama. Coach Greg Schiano leads his team through pregame Scarlet Walk, chest out, stomach in, looking every bit the general except without gold braids, epaulets and a full rack of medals. The band plays. The cheerleaders and dance team girls wave pompoms. The conquering heroes go past, eyes front. At game time, the scoreboard TV shows the team coming down the tunnel to a soundtrack from Armageddon. An Army helicopter chop-chops overhead (your tax dollars at work).

Football has always marched to a militaristic or tribal drum beat, to whip up players to greater levels of violence. The game is always likened to war by coaches, players, announcers and writers who haven't been to war.

But to Reggie Campbell and his Navy teammates, Friday night's game wasn't war. It was a game. War is around the bend.

They deserved better.

And that red on the faces of some Rutgers' fans wasn't body paint.


http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/columns-0...859197200.xml&coll=1

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Well if Rutger's students keep up with this horrible behavior then their reputation is going to further slide towards the gutter.

And this slide is bad for the decent students (the majority most likely), alumni, the team, and administration. All of these people, who didn't deserve their seat in the gutter, will have to endure that spot nonetheless.

The best course of action is to continue exposing this absolutely poor behavior and the negative publicity which results will hopefully spur the good students, alumni, the team, and administrators to do something positive to counteract the shameful students.

Thanks for sharing that cadDad...and keep us posted with any follow up action.

I'm making a call to the University in regards to this article...every little bit helps!
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Originally posted by Holden Caulfield:
I wonder what Imus would say about that... Wink

Are you kidding? If the iMan learned anything at all it was to keep his mouth shut about Rutgers.
Dad you should have attributed the article. And man up about Navy. They're much tougher than that, and they don't need anyone's sympathy for being undersized. Stop letting a bunch of boorish fans rock your boat.
This is almost as stupid as Coach Dooley at Louisiana Tech sniveling that the visiting team was trying to intimidate his team before the game by doing a haka.
What ever happened to just plain respect? Respect for your opponent. Respect for those seated around you. Respect for yourself. I have no sympathy for players getting their bell rung in a football game. In fact I love a jaw smashing hit. And when you step on the field you are saying you understand the fact that you are willing to take it as much as give it out. But this type of behavior to any team is ridiculous. Much less one of our military acamdemies. jmo
I agree with you spizzle with your comment about Navy..."they're much tougher than that." Navy will go forward from this with nary a dent in their hull.

The real damage was done to Rutger's reputation. I don't know if there is a drydock large enough to float their reputation in for a complete repair and restoration.

I did call Rutgers University and spoke with a woman in the President's Office. They are preparing a public statement to address this problem.

I also spoke to a woman in the Business Department. I'm not sure how I ended up talking with someone in the Business Department, but I did. She was appalled by the story and wanted to let me know that she had spoken to someone who attended the game and that person reported that the alumni and other adults were loudly and desperately trying to get the boorish students to shut up.

She then transferred me to the Athletic Department where I left a message and I expect a call back from someone.

I recommended that the University's response should be to police that section of the stadium where this insulting behavior is coming from and not be subtle...toss out the offenders...ban them from further participation. Those louts are doing real damage to the University.
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"Booing, cursing, chanting obscenities, unfortunately, are now part of the game day experience. It's easily been three decades since fans across the country in all sports began spending more time and creative energy jeering the visitors and officials than cheering the home team. Rutgers is far from the worst. They're not even the worst in New Jersey, not with the Jets' fans still in town. Still, every penalty against the Scarlet Knights is greeted with a chant of "a--hole, a--hole, a--hole."

"And now that Rutgers is winning, the long-suffering, self-effacing adult fans are being drowned out by a new generation of weight-room bully boys in scarlet T-shirts and red face-paint, who, from the safety of their seats, belittle the guys down on the field who take the hits".

Was this the entire stadium or a specific section? Was this Navy specific or is this normal for whoever plays there?

Unfortunetly this doesn't just happen at Rutgers and not always against a service academy team. This is why so many college campus' are putting a lid on pre game activities in the parking lot.

I think that this was terribly wrong, but this goes on every saturday across our country in many college stadiums.
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Originally posted by Quincy:
Hey, whadda ya expect? It's New Jersey.

Must be chromium in the water supply.
Nice cliche! It has nothing to do with New Jersey. Fan behavior has become a problem all over the country. One of the most offensive group of college fans in the country comes from a prestigious, preppy university .... Duke. There must be something in the Evian.
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It does go on everywhere but why do we have to take it? What makes what they do acceptable because it's the norm?

We have gotten to the point where everyone is scared to death to oppose other people. If a school doesn't want this behavior to go on then put a stop to it. Put people in charge of walking through the student sections or entire crowd and if someone is doing something stupid - toss them. Then ban them if they do it the next week or another game. Don't do it by sport either. If they get tossed in football and caught in basketball again then ban them.

If you are afraid they won't come back to school then ask yourself this - do you really want this type of kid at your school? Some schools are so worried about not getting kids back they let them do whatever they want.

Coach May you mentioned what happened to respect but I think it's still there - it just got turned around the wrong way. Respect is still there but by gosh you have to give to me instead of me earning it. These kids have been given everything in their life they have no idea what it's like to earn respect for doing the right thing.

They screw up and look like an idiot and get mad when someone calls them on it. They claim they are not being respected.

I see it everyday in the classroom. I give an assignment and then I see a kid sitting at their desk not working. I ask them why they are not working and they say they don't feel like it and will do it at home. I tell them to get to work on the stuff in class instead of sitting there or causing a disruption and they get mad at me.

It's getting ridiculous.
Since this is a baseball website I'll make this comment.
The F-word is the biggest problem in College baseball.
Guy hits a pop-up .. Bang that word fills the air.
Close play at 1st... there goes another one.
I'm sick of it and I wish the whole baseball leadership would come together and instruct the umps to kick out every player or coach that uses it every time... one week into the season the problem would be gone (till the playoffs when everyone would be as afraid to enforce a rule as a hockey ref in a 1-1 game) JMOs
Methinks that Bill Squires has his skirt in a tither for no reason.

It is football season.

You mix football and alcohol, that is what you get.

Just walk around some "tailgating" parties before, during or after a game. Same stuff.

No big thing.

If they are military and get upset about rude and obnoxious football fans, what will they do on a battlefield?

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By the way, no "navy" in Iraq.
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Originally posted by TG:
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Originally posted by Quincy:
Hey, whadda ya expect? It's New Jersey.

Must be chromium in the water supply.
Nice cliche! It has nothing to do with New Jersey. Fan behavior has become a problem all over the country. One of the most offensive group of college fans in the country comes from a prestigious, preppy university .... Duke. There must be something in the Evian.


Mr Nifong look at the trouble you got in saying that same thing last time.
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Originally posted by BeenthereIL:
Methinks that Bill Squires has his skirt in a tither for no reason.

It is football season.

You mix football and alcohol, that is what you get.

Just walk around some "tailgating" parties before, during or after a game. Same stuff.

No big thing.

If they are military and get upset about rude and obnoxious football fans, what will they do on a battlefield?

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By the way, no "navy" in Iraq.


So it's ok for people to get drunk in a public place and be as obnoxious as they want to be? Is that because they bought a ticket?

I guess you are right - you paid money for that ticket so that does enable you to certain "freedoms" like voice your drunken opinion at games. Or maybe get sick and throw up in the aisle because you had too much. Or maybe you are just some dumb idiot who didn't arrange for a designated driver. Now you have planned it out that if you stop drinking by a certain time you will be sober by the end of the game and able to drive yourself.

I guess those are your rights as a ticket buyer.

But what about my rights as a ticket buyer? I bougth and paid for a ticket just like you but I want to be able to go to a game and watch it without being around a bunch of idiots. Why should those people get their way but I have to put up with it because that is the way it is?

Let me ask you this - who is right in this situation? Neither one can be exclusively right in getting to watch a game in peace or watch a game with alcohol. So which way should we go?

Which is better for society? Being responsible and leaving the drinking at home or just let everything go because it was a choice you made.

It's not about whether the military can handle hecklers or not. That is so far from the point. The point is why can't you treat an opponent regardless of where they are with a certain amount of respect.

What we have lost sight of is there are rights and there are privileges. Some people have made privileges into rights and made life miserable for most people.
trojan-skipper,

You must be getting old... Me too!

It seemed like not that long ago when the F word was considered one of the worst. Over the past 10-15 years I've noticed it becoming a lot more accepted. It seems almost like part of the normal language these days.

I used to get mad when people used that word in public. Now I've caught myself using that word more comfortably.

My guess is that cable/pay television is partly to blame.

I do agree, it sure sounds bad on a ball field. But not quite as alarming as it used to be.

I guess it's not as bad as taking the Lord's name in vain.
T-Skipper,

As much as I try to deflect a foul mouth it is something that is here to stay. We as a society have a hard enough time regulating sexual and ethnically derogatory statements. The F-bomb as I refer to it has lost it's definable meaning. I hear it at the laundromat, grocery store, ballpark, card table, and even McDonald's. It is blurted out as a reaction to failure and has lost real definition. I think it's wrong but unless it is directed at a person I doubt much will be done about the word when it's blurted out in disgust. I remember when I was a kid and the word "shet" was used in the same tense and during similar outbursts and my mom would say "and he eats with that mouth?".

I think those who say it many time don't even realize it is a public display. Nobody seems to have a problem if I say "it's freakin cold out there" when essentially I'm "dropping the bomb" in my own way.

As I told my kids growing up, If you're going to swear at least be grammatically correct about it.
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Originally posted by Quincy:
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Originally posted by TG:
quote:
Originally posted by Quincy:
Hey, whadda ya expect? It's New Jersey.

Must be chromium in the water supply.
Nice cliche! It has nothing to do with New Jersey. Fan behavior has become a problem all over the country. One of the most offensive group of college fans in the country comes from a prestigious, preppy university .... Duke. There must be something in the Evian.


Mr Nifong look at the trouble you got in saying that same thing last time.
Everyone who follows college basketball knows the Duke fans are among the most obnoxious and most offensive in the country.
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Originally posted by BeenthereIL:
Methinks that Bill Squires has his skirt in a tither for no reason.

It is football season.

You mix football and alcohol, that is what you get.

Just walk around some "tailgating" parties before, during or after a game. Same stuff.

No big thing.

If they are military and get upset about rude and obnoxious football fans, what will they do on a battlefield?

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By the way, no "navy" in Iraq.


Really? Its all fun and games till a cop gets shot?

Cop Killed at UCF Tailgate

I know you understand that the US Navy is very well represented in Iraq and Afghanistan. I know you have heard of the Special Forces SEAL unit. There have been upwards of 10,000 sailors in Iraq at a time.
this is horrible behavior at any event,especially a school. the moral fabric of this country has taken a turn for the worse. and we allowed it to happen little by little. our state just changed our laws, since alchoholism is a disease it's no longer against the law to be drunk in public. where will it end?
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Originally posted by Quincy:
Did an unruly fan shoot the officer?

NO.

Was it appropriate to put a gun to the back of a student's head for underage drinking?

NO


We don't know all the facts and from the photos listed you could make an argument that he wasn't pointing it at his head.

Regardless of the facts this is a terrible tragedy. While I cannot prove nor back this up I am going out on a limb and saying that if there was no alcohol present this would not have happened.
The dead cop shares blame with all involved, per the SOF FDLE. Unfortunately the dead cop shot an unarmed guy who bowed up on him, just before another undercover cop, not knowing anybody, and from another agency, dropped him. That doesn't diminish the tragedy, imo. I simply usually stay home anymore.
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Originally posted by Dad04:
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Originally posted by BeenthereIL:
Methinks that Bill Squires has his skirt in a tither for no reason.

It is football season.

You mix football and alcohol, that is what you get.

Just walk around some "tailgating" parties before, during or after a game. Same stuff.

No big thing.

If they are military and get upset about rude and obnoxious football fans, what will they do on a battlefield?

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By the way, no "navy" in Iraq.


Really? Its all fun and games till a cop gets shot?

Cop Killed at UCF Tailgate

I know you understand that the US Navy is very well represented in Iraq and Afghanistan. I know you have heard of the Special Forces SEAL unit. There have been upwards of 10,000 sailors in Iraq at a time.


The United States Naval Academy is also respresented not only as Marines in Iraq and Afghanistan, but also as Corpmen serving alongside those Marines.

I disagree with the language used, but I don't necessarily disagree with the chants used when a hit is made. On the other hand, the "F Navy" **** I do have a problem with.

Finally, BTIL, you see it as "it's football; they're having fun." That's the same excuse used for underage drinking. "It happens all the time" or "It's legal in other countries" but IT'S NOT LEGAL HERE!!!

We've come to the point where laws make little difference; If a person feels like doing something and if there are a lot of people doing it then it must be OK. That's great logicSmile
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our state just changed our laws, since alchoholism is a disease it's no longer against the law to be drunk in public. where will it end?

20dad,
I think it might end with a population explosion in New Hampshire! Look for a great football program in the future because all these young football players getting in trouble all over the country for public intoxication will be moving to the great state of New Hampshire. Good luck!
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