This was first posted by Trepfan in the Maryland forum.
http://clubhousegas.com/archive_player_prog.asp?id+60
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When I hit the link P&CMom this is all that I get...
Microsoft JET Database Engine error '80040e14'
Syntax error (missing operator) in query expression 'id='.
/archive_player_prog.asp, line 15
Perhaps this will work?
Let's see.: http://clubhousegas.com/archive_player_prog.asp?id=160
It works! I copied and pasted from Trepfan. Apparently the URL address you posted is different from his...the last handful of characters.
Microsoft JET Database Engine error '80040e14'
Syntax error (missing operator) in query expression 'id='.
/archive_player_prog.asp, line 15
Perhaps this will work?
Let's see.: http://clubhousegas.com/archive_player_prog.asp?id=160
It works! I copied and pasted from Trepfan. Apparently the URL address you posted is different from his...the last handful of characters.
Sorry all, I don't know haw to transfer info from one thread to another.
However - Go down to the Maryland thread and you can find a good address.
Woody -
I could use some of your excellent posting skills!
However - Go down to the Maryland thread and you can find a good address.
Woody -
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Thanks for the compliment P&CMom. The key to establishing a good post is always selecting the right tool for the job.
Thanks for the compliment P&CMom. The key to establishing a good post is always selecting the right tool for the job.
The U of V pitching coach sure knows what he is talking about. 17 years without a tommy john or labrum is a long time. I wonder if they've have any rotator cuff tears? perhaps not but that is an overuse injury and some kids' arms are already toast without knowing it when they reach college so it's even more impressive that they haven't had an injury, wouldn't ya say? I'm very impressed!
Woody,
Have I dug myself in deep, again? Maybe you could send a ladder now? By the way - you have a PM
Switchitter, I can't vouch for their non-injury record, but have no reason to doubt it. Kuhn seems VERY protective of his pitchers.
Have I dug myself in deep, again? Maybe you could send a ladder now? By the way - you have a PM
Switchitter, I can't vouch for their non-injury record, but have no reason to doubt it. Kuhn seems VERY protective of his pitchers.
Okay, good work GW, thanks!
I have been reading way too much about Tommy John surgery on this site lately. Maybe more coaches and some parents should watch this video and listen to what the coach is saying, listen carefully.
The main reason (not excluding mechanics flaws) for injuries that require TJS is OVERUSE.
PARENTS TAKE NOTE. I will come under fire for saying this, and so be it, but you as parents have to be involved in your sons well being. Don't feel that you cannot speak to any coach about your sons health. If your son is a pitcher, establish pitch counts with your coaches. Make sure your son receives proper rest. Do not rely on your son to say "I feel good, I'm ok". Just like with anything else in their lives you have to establish limits, preset agreed upon limits. You also have to take into account warm up pitches, and if your son is a 2-way player the amount of throwing they are doing in other positions. There are only so many pitches in a guys arm, with proper care, and monitored usage your player will get the maximum. If these things are ignored for the heat/glory of the moment, well read and feel the disappointment and heartache that the players and parents of TJS are going through, not to mention the financial burden.
There is no way any of us knows how badly these families feel, we know what we read on a computer screen, but I am sure if we had videos of these families, it would reveal much pain for all.
Please help with the "care and feeding
" of your sons arm - all players, not just pitchers/catchers, get educated and make a stand, just say no to overuse.
I have been reading way too much about Tommy John surgery on this site lately. Maybe more coaches and some parents should watch this video and listen to what the coach is saying, listen carefully.
The main reason (not excluding mechanics flaws) for injuries that require TJS is OVERUSE.
PARENTS TAKE NOTE. I will come under fire for saying this, and so be it, but you as parents have to be involved in your sons well being. Don't feel that you cannot speak to any coach about your sons health. If your son is a pitcher, establish pitch counts with your coaches. Make sure your son receives proper rest. Do not rely on your son to say "I feel good, I'm ok". Just like with anything else in their lives you have to establish limits, preset agreed upon limits. You also have to take into account warm up pitches, and if your son is a 2-way player the amount of throwing they are doing in other positions. There are only so many pitches in a guys arm, with proper care, and monitored usage your player will get the maximum. If these things are ignored for the heat/glory of the moment, well read and feel the disappointment and heartache that the players and parents of TJS are going through, not to mention the financial burden.
There is no way any of us knows how badly these families feel, we know what we read on a computer screen, but I am sure if we had videos of these families, it would reveal much pain for all.
Please help with the "care and feeding
" of your sons arm - all players, not just pitchers/catchers, get educated and make a stand, just say no to overuse.
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I couldn't have said it better myself.
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I couldn't have said it better myself.
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Oh Gee, Thanks GW,
But I'm no Nancy .
Are You Making Fun of Me, brother?
Have Fun!
But I'm no Nancy .
Are You Making Fun of Me, brother?
Have Fun!
No, not at all iheartbb. I just couldn't pass on by when I saw "just say no".
Okie, Dokie, I get you.
I guess I was a little smarmy with my "just say no"
I really meant it as life moral - Say no when you mean no. You have so much power if you actually believe it...
I really meant it as life moral - Say no when you mean no. You have so much power if you actually believe it...
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"You have so much power if you actually believe it..."
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"You have so much power if you actually believe it..."
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A few points to note:
Kuhn arrived at UVA only 4-5 years ago, not sure where his prior experience was.
He is very good on mechanics and conditioning, to be sure, but make no mistake: Luck plays a role. The day will come when the injury bug hits. It won't be his fault or anybody's fault. Some things just happen and the reasons may be deeply embedded in a kid's genetic makeup, in what he did long before he got to college, or just some freak thing.
Also, there have been UVA pitchers with issues even in the past few years. Maybe not to the extent that surgery has been required, but it's not like they're bullet proof while others suffer. I could name one former Freshman All American who had a back injury that has really derailed his progress since that first year. Other pitchers have encountered overuse symptoms and had to be shut down.
It also bears mention that there have been times when, in the heat of battle, those pitch count and rest interval standards have gotten forgotten, even at UVA.
I'm all for listening to the sound advice, but some of the patting one's self on the back could be omitted. Someday those may sound like "famous last words."
Kuhn arrived at UVA only 4-5 years ago, not sure where his prior experience was.
He is very good on mechanics and conditioning, to be sure, but make no mistake: Luck plays a role. The day will come when the injury bug hits. It won't be his fault or anybody's fault. Some things just happen and the reasons may be deeply embedded in a kid's genetic makeup, in what he did long before he got to college, or just some freak thing.
Also, there have been UVA pitchers with issues even in the past few years. Maybe not to the extent that surgery has been required, but it's not like they're bullet proof while others suffer. I could name one former Freshman All American who had a back injury that has really derailed his progress since that first year. Other pitchers have encountered overuse symptoms and had to be shut down.
It also bears mention that there have been times when, in the heat of battle, those pitch count and rest interval standards have gotten forgotten, even at UVA.
I'm all for listening to the sound advice, but some of the patting one's self on the back could be omitted. Someday those may sound like "famous last words."
I have to agree with Midlodad. I am not sure what he is refering to, but overall gives good advice.
Some coaches work strictly on pitch counts in game situations and innings pitched overall. Their ace has pitched over 200 in two years, that IMO is a lot, but may not be alot ofr him, depending on what he threw in HS. Generally their pitchers inning counts are low. 5 pitches to fix mechanical problems is usually standard for most pitching coaches. However you need to be pretty sharp to figure out quickly what's going on. JMO.
Some coaches work strictly on pitch counts in game situations and innings pitched overall. Their ace has pitched over 200 in two years, that IMO is a lot, but may not be alot ofr him, depending on what he threw in HS. Generally their pitchers inning counts are low. 5 pitches to fix mechanical problems is usually standard for most pitching coaches. However you need to be pretty sharp to figure out quickly what's going on. JMO.
They have simply been lucky. They have not discovered the holy grail of arm protection. To me this is more of a recruiting ploy than anything else. I think its great they look after their pitchers. But there are alot of programs that do the same things they do. Midlo is right when it does bite it will not be their fault it will just be the law of averages catching up to them.