Alternative to deadlift

There are a large variety of deadlifts. You may look into those alternatives which are going to warrant lighter weight. It's possible that he may have gotten too heavy and so these alternatives may work.

Single Leg Deadlift
Trap Bar Deadlift
Straight leg Deadlift

Also, may look at kettlebell swings.

The deadlift is a hip-hinge exercise. I really like kettlebell swings as an effective workout!

What is Trap Bar Deadlift??What sort of relief does it provides??

There is a reason why it's called a "Deadlift." It is a faulty exercise for many reasons. But they won't tell you that(the truth). If you could find a Nautilus or MedX Lower back machine that would be great, otherwise I would stay away from it period.

Good luck

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It is a faulty exercise for many reasons.

So please do share... and let's see if you can do it without mentioning your favorite 3 words to exercise...

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If you could find a Nautilus or MedX Lower back machine that would be great

And what exactly is functional about a machine? You wanna talk about worthless?...

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Our strength coach says his form is fine so it's not bad technique.

It also could have been a result of a back strain from an exercise he previously completed.

As mentioned above, there are several variations to the deadlift that are effective. However, when completed properly, deadlifting is one of the best exercises for baseball players due to the explosiveness and functionality. There is certainly a risk-reward factor in the lift being that it is rather technologically advanced, but success is usually great as a result of proper form.

Some thoughts and possible alternatives:

http://www.ericcressey.com/how...n-is-right-for-you-1

http://www.ericcressey.com/how...n-is-right-for-you-2

http://www.ericcressey.com/how...-3-trap-bar-deadlift

This has been covered well by my very intelligent co-posters Bulldog and J H but I just want to add to the chorus of pro-deadlift. It is a great movement and perhaps the best one for pitchers (it's between that and squat, good thing you get to do both!).

If there is a back condition, deadlifting may not be a reality. I would suggest working on it at low weights and researching form (because trainer/coach may not be giving sound advice) to see if doing it aggressively in the future is possible. Keep in mind that the deadlift is primarily a lift for the low back so it should get normal muscle soreness.

The main alternative for deadlift is the trap bar deadlift. It is a fine lift, but keep in mind that it isn't a true replacement. It is, in effect, much closer to the squat in the way it works the legs vs the back. I still encourage working on the low back strength and health to eventually be able to deadlift.

just go with heavy squats, farmers walks with heavy dummbells for the grip and upper back isolation that deadlift give you, also power cleans and snatches

It is hard to say one thing he can do instead without knowing his whole program. Dead lifts are just one lift in a program. There are no magical lifts. Just good progressive programs that pay off with effort. Every athlete has different needs and their programs should be adjusted accordingly. Hopefully, his strength coach can make adjustments to his program if he is experiencing pain and his form is good. Pain is your body telling you something is wrong. It is either an injury or bad form. It is also possible his mobility is not good enough to do the lift properly. The other exercises that were given are all good alternatives, especially the single leg versions as these are usually more back friendly since the weight must be lowered. But even these can cause problems if done with poor form or an injury.

@Andrew-- A trap bar dead lift is just a dead lift done with a trap bar. It provides relief for those that do not have the mobility necessary to do the dead lift with good form. A trap bar has handles so that the athlete does not have to get as low to get the bar. Another way of doing dead lifts for those without the mobility is to elevate the bar on blocks. One could also do rack pulls by placing the pins in a squat rack on the lowest rung and putting the bar on that.

Nothing that causes pain should be done. Hopefully his strength coach can help with this problem and if not maybe a qualified professional in your area can help. Back pain is not something to take lightly.

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It is a faulty exercise for many reasons.

So please do share... and let's see if you can do it without mentioning your favorite 3 words to exercise...

Compresses the spine, doesn't work in accord to muscle and joint function(Which means it isn't really exercise, it is a self destructive movement), causes chronic pain/massive inflammation which is truly the underlier in many of these "mysterious" injuries.

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If you could find a Nautilus or MedX Lower back machine that would be great

And what exactly is functional about a machine? You wanna talk about worthless?...

You know not what function is my friend. The machine builds muscle(supplies the stimulus, and an adaptation(growth) is gained through proper rest), so the gaining of muscle will make the athlete more functional in their sport, theoretically.

-Worthless to a fool who doesn't understand it, priceless to those who love the truth.

TheUnDiscovered- What opinions have you heard from your college coaches about the weight training programs you stand by?

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-Worthless to a fool who doesn't understand it, priceless to those who love the truth.

So you want to tell me which of these professionals has a "low back machine" in their sports performance center or physical therapy clinic?


Mike Boyle
Mike Reinold
Charlie Weingroff
Gray Cook
Eric Cressey
Dan John
Stuart McGill

Should I go on?

Do you have a leg extension machine too?

I'd probably incorporate a machine into my low back work if I absolutely could not deadlift, but I would still know that I am not getting what I would from DL. It's just not the same.

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TheUnDiscovered- What opinions have you heard from your college coaches about the weight training programs you stand by?

Well I'm now on my own program because theirs almost killed me. The outrageous long distance running and overtraining caused my hemoglobin to drop to 8 over the past few months and I had to get a blood transfusion.

-All college coaches are the first to tell you who they have gotten to the next level. Yet are reluctant to mention all the kids they have injured and baseball careers they have cut short through illogical exercise programs.

I will say that baseball coaches at all levels tend to be just about worthless when it comes to exercise programs.

The things that take years to filter through fitness circles tend to take decades to reach baseball coaches.

This isn't necessarily an indictment on any particular coach, anyone that does their due diligence should arrive at a good place. So many don't, though.

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Originally posted by The UnDiscovered:

Well I'm now on my own program because theirs almost killed me. The outrageous long distance running and overtraining caused my hemoglobin to drop to 8 over the past few months and I had to get a blood transfusion.

-All college coaches are the first to tell you who they have gotten to the next level. Yet are reluctant to mention all the kids they have injured and baseball careers they have cut short through illogical exercise programs.

Hopefully you take this next piece as advice and not condescending. I would highly advise to watch what you say about those in power in this sport. Baseball is a small world and this website has a lot of tributaries. Strong negativity can provide very little benefit in future endeavors.

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Originally posted by J H:

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Originally posted by The UnDiscovered:

Well I'm now on my own program because theirs almost killed me. The outrageous long distance running and overtraining caused my hemoglobin to drop to 8 over the past few months and I had to get a blood transfusion.

-All college coaches are the first to tell you who they have gotten to the next level. Yet are reluctant to mention all the kids they have injured and baseball careers they have cut short through illogical exercise programs.

Hopefully you take this next piece as advice and not condescending. I would highly advise to watch what you say about those in power in this sport. Baseball is a small world and this website has a lot of tributaries. Strong negativity can provide very little benefit in future endeavors.

Good point! Most baseball people I meet are great people, just seems when it comes to exercise most don't know any better...

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Good point! Most baseball people I meet are great people, just seems when it comes to exercise most don't know any better...

And what knowledge do you have that trumps those college staffs?

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Originally posted by Bulldog 19:

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Good point! Most baseball people I meet are great people, just seems when it comes to exercise most don't know any better...

And what knowledge do you have that trumps those college staffs?

The truth. Something that won't get me injured.

http://www.bodybyscience.net/home.html/?page_id=18

"Body By Science: A Research-Based Program for Strength Training, Body Building, and Complete Fitness in 12 Minutes a Week"

That sure is some interesting BS they're selling you...

At some point you going to answer my question about your "machines" solution? Little hint: it's no longer the 1970's and the Nautilus machines have fallen out of style...