Another strange call

I didn't see the play, but as described its a hit even at MLB level.

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Originally posted by JMoff:
I didn't see the play, but as described its a hit even at MLB level.

The play was changed after the game without even being submitted to MLB for review. To tell the truth, I refused to score it an error and saved having to change it. The next day Ray Fosse said the same thing. He’d gone over and talked to the scorer after it happened and said he wasn’t changing it to an error on his card, not that anyone’s card makes any difference other than the OSK.

But I don’t know how much to beat up on the guy. I know there are lots of plays I get blocked out, only see partially, or don’t have the best view of, so I know what its like to make a bad call. My guess is, he made the call based on something he “believed”, rather than the rules really intend, and changed it when he got read the riot act.

MLB scorers have the benefit of replay. Most of us don't. If we get screened out by someone who stands up in front of us, lose the ball off the bat and are looking in the wrong direction when the play is not made or whatever, we don't get a second chance. We have to ask for help from others or just go with what we think we saw.

I have seen several calls by MLB scorers changed lately, usually an inning or two later. I don't know why it takes them that long, but maybe they review between innings and then it takes a while before the announcers calling the game catch on.

What do MLB scorers use as their tool? A book or a computer program? I would think its probably some kind of software but have never actually seen what they use.

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Originally posted by JMoff:
MLB scorers have the benefit of replay. Most of us don't. If we get screened out by someone who stands up in front of us, lose the ball off the bat and are looking in the wrong direction when the play is not made or whatever, we don't get a second chance. We have to ask for help from others or just go with what we think we saw.

I have seen several calls by MLB scorers changed lately, usually an inning or two later. I don't know why it takes them that long, but maybe they review between innings and then it takes a while before the announcers calling the game catch on.

What do MLB scorers use as their tool? A book or a computer program? I would think its probably some kind of software but have never actually seen what they use.

I don’t really know to be honest. What I do know is, every play is called in to a central “scorer”, who then gets it entered into whatever database it belongs. That way there’s always someone checking to make sure the scoring rules are followed. But there’s nothing to do about a judgment call like the one we’re talking about here. I know there’s a process in place where anything scored can be challenged, but I don’t know exactly how that happens. I doubt its something that happens “in-house”, like the manager screams about a play because once the play is called in, its part of the official records.

I do know though that unless you don’t understand the “Project Scoresheet” method of before the play, the play, and after the play, plus all the neat little codes, you wouldn’t understand what the heck was going on anyway.

When I made my scoring program, I just had the computer create what was necessary, although I did it a bit different so I could get more information quickly and easily. Here’s one AB from a real game.

BP: 737R/1-2/SB620P2
PL 4(611)3(603)/OG4
AP: 737R/2-3P4

Before the play took place, Player #737 who was the runner on 1st, went to 2nd on a SB, with the catcher being player #620, on the 2nd pitch.

The play was a hit to F4, player #611 for an assist, and F3 player #6-3 who got the putout on a grounder to location 4 on the field.

After the play, the runner on 2nd. Player #737 moves from 2nd to 3rd on the 4th pitch.

FWIW, here’s what it looks like on the scoresheet. http://www.infosports.com/scor...per/images/sheet.png