Any Coventry Commonwealth Games Results?

rosters?

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Originally posted by golfball:
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Fridays results: First game between the North and West team postponed after 4 and half innings due to rain. Score tied at 3 all. Second game between Central and East was postponed. Both games will be completed on Sunday prior to the medal round.

Saturday results (after 2 games): First game North beats Central 4 to 3. Second game East beats West 4 to 3 as well.

Third game North vs. East. The late game will be Central vs. West.

North beats East 7 to 4.

Standings:

North 2 wins 0 losses
East. 1 win 1 loss
Central 0 wins 1 loss
West 0 wins 1 loss

Central and West still to play the last game.

Which players are standing out?

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Originally posted by dblemup:
Which players are standing out?

Every kid there played their best and deserved to be there and there was a lot of really good defense.

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Originally posted by mathews41:
North beats East 7 to 4.

Standings:

North 2 wins 0 losses
East. 1 win 1 loss
Central 0 wins 1 loss
West 0 wins 1 loss

Central and West still to play the last game.

Central beats West 9 to 4.

STANDINGS (after Saturday's games)

North 2-0
Central 1 and 1
East 1 and 1
West 0 - 2

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Originally posted by mathews41:

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Originally posted by dblemup:
Which players are standing out?

Not really anyone. There has been 2 homeruns (maybe three) that I have seen but the fences are short (320 in left and 305 in right).. nothing smoked. No one has dominated in pitching a couple of kids in the upper guess (best guess).
Just some really good defense.

Heck, I like to hear about defensive standouts!

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Originally posted by dblemup:

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Originally posted by mathews41:

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Originally posted by dblemup:
Which players are standing out?

Not really anyone. There has been 2 homeruns (maybe three) that I have seen but the fences are short (320 in left and 305 in right).. nothing smoked. No one has dominated in pitching a couple of kids in the upper guess (best guess).
Just some really good defense.

Heck, I like to hear about defensive standouts!

Hands down (IMO), the best play all day was from sophomore from east team. 2d basemen from the beach/ Tyler Booth. Went Jeeter on a ball hit up the middle while playing second. Reached the ball and spun in the air and threw the kid out at first.

Are they posting the scores and/or box-scores anywhere?

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Originally posted by NOVABBall13:
Are they posting the scores and/or box-scores anywhere?

Not that I know of. I will check tomorrow.

West beats North 4-3.

North will play winner of Central and East in the gold round.

One of my D3 contacts said this year's Commonwealth Games was great for D3 but in his opinion, was not so attractive for D1 scouts.

East beats Central 5 to 4. East plays North for the gold and Central plays West for the bronze.

Standings:

North 2 and 1
East 2 and 1
West 1 and 2
Central 1 and 2

Central beats West 6 to 3 for the bronze medal.

North beats East 2 to 1 in the bottom of the 8th. Great game. The starting pitcher for the North (Tanner Love) threw a gem for 5 innings shutting down the bigbats of the East. The East pitcher (Ryan Bennett) threw a great game as well. In fact he threw all 8 for the East giving up only the one earned run in the 8 th.


East

000 000 10
1RUN 5 HITS 2 ERRORS

North

010 000 01
2 RUNS 6 HITS 0 ERRORS

Thanks for the updates!

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Originally posted by mathews41:

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Originally posted by NOVABBall13:
Are they posting the scores and/or box-scores anywhere?

Not that I know of. I will check tomorrow.

You have done a great job of keeping everyone up to date with your recaps. Very much appreciated.

I am completly surprised that these games get almost zero coverage. I can't believe they didn't even post rosters.

Thanks to both of you. Not the solid reporting of WB reporter but I was using a smart phone (which is smarter than I) and I was fat fingering the darn thing all day (both days).

The event was covered locally (Roanoke TV news) but from what I am hereing nothing from anywhere else. The only rosters that were to be seen were published in the event program. I will post the rosters.

As mentioned previously, The Commonwealth Games choose to compete directly with the 17U World Wood bat in Marietta, GA. As you could see, the talent level is WAY down. Very few D1 guys. To contrast, the rosters of VA teams in the WWB are littered with D1 players.

West Roster:

Reece Kingery JR Cave Spring
Dillon Hall JR Patrick County
Dallas Chocklette JR William Byrd
Holt Cassada JR Tunstall
Bradley Haymes JR Chatham
Blake Bivens FR George Washington
Alex Couch JR JJ Kelly
Nathan Baker JR Powell Valley
Jo Stickney JR William Byrd
Mikey Wallman JR Jefferson Forrest
Dylan Powers JR Lord Botetourt
Dylan Raymond JR Giles
Dylan Nelson JR Patrick County
Dylan Caruso JR Appomattox County
Steven Klaiber JR Cave Spring
Dustin Garst JR Salem

Central Roster: (Only 15)

Travis Lodge JR Matoaca
Porter Reinhart SO St Christopher’s
Mitch Keeler JR Atlee
Michael Childress JR Benedictine
Michael Thomas JR Lee Davis
Tyler Yeatts JR St Christopher’s
Blake Spiers JR Hanover
Kyle Vaas JR Matoaca
Chris Childress JR Hanover
Micah Gorman JR J.R. Tucker
Colton Gunn JR Dinwiddie
Jack English SO St Christopher’s
Michael Trentham JR James River
Jake Austin JR J.R. Tucker
Michael Carpenter JR Cosby

North Roster:

Joshua Kubel JR Stone Bridge
Andrew Rector JR South County
Tyler Carrroll JR Oakton
Kevin LaChance JR Centerville
Mitchell MacKeith JR George C. Marshall
Craig Lopez JR Mountain View
Michael Church JR Lake Braddock
Michael Evans SO George C. Marshall
Josh Morrison SO Brentsville
Isaac Geisler JR Mountain View
Tanner Love JR Brentsville
Bobby San Martin JR Centerville
Brendan Howell JR Osbourn
Kyle Corwin JR Westfield
Tyler Mocabee JR Stone Bridge
Thomas Rogers SO Lake Braddock

East Roster:

Matt Danielson JR Princess Anne
TJ Rinoski JR York
Connor Henderson JR Bethel
Hunter Davis SO Princess Anne
Ryan Bennett JR Western Branch
Clark Seibels JR York
Tyler Booth SO Kellam
Brian Beard JR Great Bridge
Mitch Moynihan JR Kellam
William Daniel SO Norfolk Collegiate
Jacob Houston JR Gloucester
Tyler Brown JR Nansemond River
Robert Lathrop JR Greenbrier Christian Academy
Ryan O’Hara JR Nansemond River
Kyle Rosso JR Norfolk Collegiate
Steven Dudley JR Great Bridge

I have heard that only uncommitted players are the only ones that are allowed to attend, is this true?

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Originally posted by GF:
I have heard that only uncommitted players are the only ones that are allowed to attend, is this true?

http://www.commonwealthgames.o...eball_-_All_Star.htm

The above is a link to the rules. It clearly states only uncommitted players may play. Yet every year I recognize the names of players who have announced committments and still play in the Games.

I know one name in Central roster that has "verbally" committed to a college. Also, I think the previous comments about the talent being "WAY down" and classififed as D-anything by other members is uncalled for.

If one looks at the results from last year where one ballplayer hit 5 hr's himself. If one looks at the scores from last year, one may conclude many things: one of which is the talent - especially offensive was down. If that is the case how would one describe it. Perhaps we should label unemployment in this country as just extended vacation for a number of our citizens.

If one looks at the number of homeruns that college players hit this year, down approx. 50% and runs being down about the same. I guess that college baseball talet is only half as good as last year. Lack of runs scored could just as quickly meant that the pitching was twice as good this year as last so the talent level had gone up.

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Originally posted by 4pApA:
Also, I think the previous comments about the talent being "WAY down" and classififed as D-anything by other members is uncalled for.

agreed

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Originally posted by iyg:
If one looks at the number of homeruns that college players hit this year, down approx. 50% and runs being down about the same. I guess that college baseball talet is only half as good as last year. Lack of runs scored could just as quickly meant that the pitching was twice as good this year as last so the talent level had gone up.

a) Colleges used BBCOR this past year. Did the Commonwealth teams?

b) Better pitching usually means better velocity. Were the velocities also up from previous years?

Clearly by looking at the rosters all of the talent was in GA and the stats say the same

All I am trying to say is that while we still have the "Freedom of Speech" in this country we should be able to express our qualified views. When someone says one of my D3 contacts says " this year's Commonwealth Games was great for D3 but in his opinion, was not so attractive for D1 scouts"

He is not bashing anyone, but is making a statement based on his own personal recounts of Commonwealth games in the past.

When some one else answers a question of who is standing out: "Not really anyone. There has been 2 homeruns (maybe three) that I have seen but the fences are short (320 in left and 305 in right).. nothing smoked. No one has dominated in pitching a couple of kids in the upper 80s (best guess).
Just some really good defense." Again this is just their opinion and does not bash anyone.

Now if we want to look for a possible valid reason for these opinions we can go to GA and find where a lot of the better players may be.

I was not able to attend the commonwealth games this year. I was interested in how they went and the quality of play. Both of the above descriptions provided me with insight to the games. I am sure there were plenty of good ballplayers represented by the four teams. But I would also bet the North from 2010 was a stronger team than the North from 2011.

All good information is CALLED for and useful. Determine for your self how to use it but lets not try to restrict one's opinion.

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Originally posted by bxbomber:
When some one else answers a question of who is standing out: "Not really anyone. There has been 2 homeruns (maybe three) that I have seen but the fences are short (320 in left and 305 in right).. nothing smoked. No one has dominated in pitching a couple of kids in the upper 80s (best guess).
Just some really good defense." Again this is just their opinion and does not bash anyone.

Since I should have known better (this was a minefield/ loaded question)... I have retooled my earlier response.

I think it is only fair to say (since none of you were there) that you can not base your opinions on my limitted comments. There were kids at the Commonwealth Games who are now down in East Cobb. There are kids that will be down in East Cobb this weekend with the 16 year olds. The pitching was solid. The hitting was solid. The defense was solid. Atleast 75 to 80 percent of the kids there were all- district, all-conference, all-region or all state. I know that 2 kids on the East team and quite possibly more will play D1 baseball and none came close to hitting a home run but they are big time hitters. The same is true for the North. The only real expert is the College coach that was there (and there were alot) and his opinion is the only one that matters. Not mine or any of yours ... just the college coach. Anything else....well it just smells of sour grapes...

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Originally posted by bxbomber:
All I am trying to say is that while we still have the "Freedom of Speech" in this country we should be able to express our qualified views. When someone says one of my D3 contacts says " this year's Commonwealth Games was great for D3 but in his opinion, was not so attractive for D1 scouts"

Like my wife loves to tell me. "Just because you CAN say it doesn't mean you SHOULD say it." Its great that a college coach shared that piece of information but that doesn't automatically mean that it is a "ready for prime-time" comment.

There are a lot of players and parents who are members of those teams who are either in discussions with D-1 teams or have since committed (Bobby San Martin/JMU) who might feel quite differently. Not so sure what purpose the comment serves.

I understand that lots of times parents and players need to face up to the fact that a D-1 baseball future is not in the cards for them but not so sure that this is the forum for that discussion. I have seen many, many forums where participants take great care to discuss things in general terms so as not to offend players. The above comment was a pretty sweeping opinion and my guess is that lots of folks took offense.

Obviously this is my take on it only and doesn't really mean much to anyone but me... But I thought that I would at least share it... LOL

I wasn't at the Commonwealth Games this year and don't know any more about what transpired there than what I read here.

Those who want to curtail this discussion should remember that one reason this site is valuable is it gives players and their parents frank opinions on the relative merits of travel programs, camps, showcases, and special events like the Commonwealth Games. Every baseball family confronts a maze of opportunities for spending their time and money, and this site helps them make sense of it.

For this reason, the depth of talent, upward or downward trends, and overheard comments from recruiters are perfectly legitimate topics for conversation. Players who will have to choose between CG and WWBA next year should have access to the full range of opinions, which they can evaluate as they see fit.

If we can't have a frank discussion about the level of competition at the event and which colleges sent coaches to see it, then the site has become too sensitive to be useful.

I might feel different if people had been posting negative comments about individual players, but that didn't happen here.

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Originally posted by Swampboy:
I might feel different if people had been posting negative comments about individual players, but that didn't happen here.

I happen to believe that the "general" comments of the event become labels applied to the players when the rosters are listed in the same thread....It it ok to generalize, but rostered names make it specific, tangible and in some cases false - as some of them are going to D1 schools

I just dont like generalizations or stereotyping in any format. I do not have a dog in the fight either. Just think you can discuss the event in terms of its effectiveness on college recruiting for uncommitted players without aligning it to the players' talent level or D-blankabilities. The discusion should be how to improve its effectiveness for uncommitted (and keep already committed ones out)players continue their baseball journey regardless of talent level.

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If we can't have a frank discussion about the level of competition at the event and which colleges sent coaches to see it, then the site has become too sensitive to be useful.

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The discusion should be how to improve its effectiveness for uncommitted (and keep already committed ones out)players continue their baseball journey regardless of talent level.

That is certainly an issue that CG needs to address. I also don't like the fact that the Central Region doesn't have a tryout....it is hand picked. I find that absolutely laughable. It appears more travel teams from our area going to East Cobb than ever before during the same week as CG. I would expect that trend to continue, as more kids want to be recruited by Virginia schools as well as by national college programs in East Cobb. CG is on a slippery slope if they continue business as usual IMHO.

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Originally posted by 4pApA:
I just dont like generalizations or stereotyping in any format.

Just goes to show how little time it takes to say something totally ridiculous once you stop debating and switch to moral preening.

It's foolish for you to say you don't like generalizations in any format. Do you agree that yellow bananas taste better than green ones? That's what we call a generalization. Do you agree that new cars are more reliable than old cars? That's another one.

Humans live by inductive reasoning, which consists of making and refining generalizations based on their experience and observation.

Most of the advice on HSBBWeb involves sharing and debating generalizations to help people decide when and how it is helpful to apply those generalizations to their particular circumstances.

Commonwealth Games particularly deserves this debate because the competing generalizations about it are under constant pressure as each year's crop of players makes its own decisions about playing in them or going to the WWBA 17U tournament.

There isn't a clear consensus on exactly who is best served by attending it. For example, last year two travel teams loaded with D1 talent took different routes. The Canes, generally recognized as the most elite program in the area, went to WWBA 17U, and their players didn't even try out for the teams in their parts of the state, even though nearly all of them could have played. The NVTBL Stars, on the other hand, went to WWBA 18U the week before Commonwealth Games specifically to enable their players to play Commonwealth Games. The North team last year was basically the Stars plus a handful of other players, and they scored double digits in every game as they dominated the field.

Such situations create interesting discussion. Who is best advised to play Commonwealth Games? Elite draft prospects? Major conference D1 prospects? D1 aspirants who want to play in Colonial or Big South or other mid-level programs? D2 prospects? D3 prospects? Players who aren't sure where they'll settle out but want to stay reasonably close to home?

The Commonwealth Games also deserve discussion because they are a traditional in-state event that has had a lot of future stars play in it, but their viability in the face of the booming popularity of WWBA isn't certain.

You may not like it, PAPA, but you can't have these discussions without making generalizations. If you don't want to participate, don't. But spare us the nonsensical pretense that you're morally superior because you don't like generalizations or stereotyping.

From my side, Swampboy, I'm not trying to, nor would I want to, curtail any discussion on things. I just think that sometimes there are ways to say the same thing that aren't as apt to be offensive. I don't have a dog in the fight either but do know a number of the kids on my regional team and I know they would be upset about the comment. I understand that it doesn't apply to them but it was generalized in such a way as the label was stuck on them.

These boards certainly do promote discussion, and much of it is really heated at times, but I have also seen many of the old timers step in to ask that people not so familiar with the unwritten rules, not call out players names etc. and when the rosters were posted along with the D-3 comment then it sort of made it personal. Kind of like saying "The Commonwealth kids are of D-3 talent and here's their names..."

But again, as I always stress, this is simply my opinion and it only matters to me. If you feel otherwise then thats great because it would be a boring existance if everyone agreed with everything I said. LOL (hell, I have a hard time getting people to agree with ANYthing I say, and only then I thinks its because I'm their boss... haha)

And the uncommitted thing was clearly confusing this year. My son happens to fall into the committed player group and did not even attend the tryouts. He originally was going to but a couple of parents approached me to specifically tell me that he wasn't allowed. I thought that that was weird but that's another story. I was unsure so I looked at the website and sure enough that's what it said but I also know that the coach of our region called my house when my son missed the first tryout to specifically ask why he wasn't there so it was kind of a contradiction.

Is the purpose of the games to pit the regions against each other in a Battle of Virginia or is it meant to be another Showcase event for uncommitteds? I am still unclear as to the real answer on that one...

It is really stupid to criticize anyone during any part of this process. The name of the game is to get in front of scouts...period. The whole process of trying to get your kid on a college team is a scam of sorts...sort of nuts that we shell out probably a full year's worth of tuition over a lifetime to get our kids a 1/4 scholarship...if we are lucky. If there are scouts at the Commonwealth Games, then it is worth playing in. I was just at the WWBA in GA, and while it was a spectacle, and there were alot of scouts, unless you are a pitcher throwing 88+ mph, it is probably a big waste of money....but a great experience (just be happy that all of our money goes to support the Greater Atlanta economy, East Cobb Baseball and whoever is making a nice living off of that). I doubt very seriously that some random school will contact my son out-of-the-blue because he hit a HR in one of the games at a remote High School somewhere in North Atlanta. Keep the comments constructive and helpful, instead of criticizing anyone. Thanks.