Anyone tracking these things?

we do both in every game we play

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Originally posted by TRhit:
we do both in every game we play

Would you mind sharing the numbers totals to date?

I’d prefer to see it broken down by player, but if all you have is totals it’ll be of some help. If you’re uncomfortable using names, just use a number or letter.

Thanx

SK

You are like the other cyber freaks---they give nothing and want all from the others---our info was not for publication and was used for in house info---we do not worry about what is in the papers and we do score differently from "official scorers" like you I dont doubt I can educate you but why should I help a condescending SK like you get better and feed his ego--- By the way we have never differed on the final score and after all that is all that matters isnt it?


To this day, even with an official scorekeeper at an event I keep score and take notes---you the ESTEEMED SCOREKEEPER could not make hide nor hair of what I have but when myself and the coaches get together at the end of the day we have what we need to talk about the next game

You make me laugh---"you would like to see it broken down ....................."


Sir you are a out in space---I think you know nothing and want others to teach you--my system works for our team and our coaches--that is what matters --- I am not here to write a book on scorekeeping --I am here to help my team not you---let me say this if anyone ever got my book and notes they would not know what the heck was written down---but we know--- isnt that what matters

Good grief man! What is your problem?

I asked a legitimate question, and you go on some old man rant accusing me of some huge sin, as though I’m stealing Top Secret information from the Pentagon. Trust me, your information isn’t that important.

Of course you keep notes! If you didn’t you’d be a fool! But what makes you think no one else has the capacity to do the same thing, or even to interpret what you’re writing. Talk about someone who places himself above others!

Yes, I would like to see it broken down. You may not be able to understand it, but I have it broken down at http://infosports.net/scorekeeper/images/psol.pdf

Among those numbers are 10YO Numbers, HS numbers, and some JUCO numbers. I’m trying to see if there’s any relationship of number of pitches seen or thrown to batting performance. OOPS. That would be a search for something that might go against dogma, ergo its probably evil in your mind.

If you think I’m out in space, what does that say about you? If you don’t want to talk about scorekeeping an statistics, why do you keep hanging around this forum? Obviously the only reason is to try to male me look foolish, but all you’re accomplishing is to make yourself look smaller in the eyes of everyone who reads what you have to say.

You probably do believe that no one else could possibly understand your notes or what you’re doing. And its pretty certain that you’re not on this bulletin board to teach anyone anything, or else you would share those secret things only you know.

You are a pathetic creature, and its a shame you don't realize how many people are laughing at you.

We aren't a top notch HS team, but we track:
1. Pitches per Batter Faced (P/BF),
2. Batters Faced per Inning Pitched (BF/IP), and
3. Runners Allowed per Inning Pitched (RA/IP) which includes hits, walks, and HBPs only. (We could probably add Reached-on-Errors, Interference, etc. but those are not Pitcher-issues, so no sense docking them for it.)

The Numbers for 5 pitchers used in 11 games so far.

#1 - 3.45 P/BF - 4.45 BF/IP - 0.30 RA/IP (ERA 2.97, 2-1)
---- 30.3 IP - 135 BF - 24 H - 38 K's - 12 BB - 4 HBP

#2 - 3.31 P/BF - 5.19 BF/IP - 0.36 RA/IP (ERA 2.19, 2-1)
---- 12.3 IP - 64 BF - 10 H - 29 K's - 12 BB - 1 HBP

#3 - 4.04 P/BF - 4.50 BF/IP - 0.36 RA/IP (ERA 5.40, 1-2)
---- 10.0 IP - 45 BF - 10 H - 13 K's - 4 BB - 2 HBP

#4 - 2.02 P/BF - 5.78 BF/IP - 0.40 RA/IP (ERA 9.00, 1-1)
---- 9.0 IP - 52 BF - 12 H - 6 K's - 7 BB - 2 HBP

#5 - 3.06 P/BF - 6.00 BF/IP - 0.50 RA/IP (ERA 21.00, 0-0)
---- 3.0 IP - 18 BF - 5 H - 2 K's - 4 BB - 0 HBP

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Originally posted by jaxnbulldog:
We aren't a top notch HS team, but we track:
1. Pitches per Batter Faced (P/BF),
2. Batters Faced per Inning Pitched (BF/IP), and
3. Runners Allowed per Inning Pitched (RA/IP) which includes hits, walks, and HBPs only. (We could probably add Reached-on-Errors, Interference, etc. but those are not Pitcher-issues, so no sense docking them for it.)

KOOL! I knew there had to be some other guys out there tracking some things the “Old Guard” don’t normally look at.

I’m curious. Do your coaches actually look at those things and try to analyze them, or are the stats something they just nod their head at and smile? Of course a lot depends on the confidence they have in the SK, but I’m assuming if they’re even asking for stats like those, they have the confidence.

“Top Notch?” Heck, all I’ve ever really cared about was if the players have fun and the coaching improves them. There are far too many differences between schools to get all ana* about how top notch they are. As long as they compete in all of their games with a decent chance to win, its all good.

I don’t do the RA/IP, but really that’s because I never thought of it, not because I don’t think it might be useful. However, I do have a funny way of looking at things such as you mentioned that aren’t “Pitcher issues”.

Sometimes, especially at these low levels, you just have to accept that the P’s don’t just pitch in a vacuum, and their overall performance is dependent on some things they can’t control, even though it might not seem fair. There are other ways to separate them for pure pitching comparison.

FI, one thing I don’t necessarily like, but have come to accept, is the concept of total runs allowed for P’s. A P’s ERA might be 1.00, but his TRA might be 7.00. Although technically those runs aren’t his fault, surely he has to take the blame for at least a potion of them. An example would be UER’s that were his fault, such as his errors directly leading to them scoring. Another example would be when the 1st batter reaches on an easy routine error, then the P K’s the next 2 batters, but walks the next 3. UER, but who’s fault is it really?

There are other things going on that although they don’t show up in the scorebook as problems or errors, they definitely are things the P has some control of. Things like covering bunts, holding runners on, covering 1st on certain plays, backing up plays, all can lead to runs getting generated. The same thing can be said for the P making allowing say a triple after an E puts a runner on 1st, rather than say a single that doesn’t allow the run to score.

I guess what it is, is that the P gets to enjoy things the defense does for him, like reap the rewards of a timely DP, so to me its only right that they should share in some of the faults too. But more than likely, what I’d do is present it both ways, if asked to do something I didn’t think was necessarily the best way. That way. what was asked for would be there, but so would the other way for a comparison.

Tell ya what I’m gonna do! Just for you, and in case you’d like to see how your guys compare to someone else, I’m gonna go ahead and generate the RA/IP. Very likely there’ll end up being some other stuff with it, but at least we’ll be able to compare the players to some degree.

In the meantime, if you’re interested in looking to see how our two teams compare, go to
http://infosports.net/scorekeeper/ Once you’re there, go to the Pitching stats, and then look at pages 5 thru 8 to see our P/BF and BF/IP.

I can also run that report for my son’s HS team, and a couple years of JUCO ball if you’d like to see how they look too.

I’ll PM you when I get the report done, and I want to look a bit closer at your numbers to see how they compare to ours.