Appeal Checked Swing (2 man crew)

For OBR, U1 has to make the request if the defense asks for it. If the manager or catcher make a request, regardless of where U2 is, he has to ask by rule. U2 can signal what he thinks on it but has to render a decision.

9.02(c) Comment in the OBR: "the home plate umpire must refer to a base umpire for his judgment on the half swing".

He has to ask.

Now, if I am U1, I am not asking automatically unless it is a D3K situation. Then, I will ask automatically regardless of where U2 is.

He sure can ask.......and if he asks me while I am in B or C, he will get an answer.....

If the defense appeals, only the NFHS allows a U1 to refuse to ask for help....

In OBR and NCAA by rule, he must ask if requested....

I will always ask if requested......

glad to hear that from both of you. Had an assistant coach that nearly acosted me and my partner as we walked off the field for asking and making that call.

Not to hijack the thread, but can I turn the question around as well? If he calls it a swing, is the batter allowed to request appeal?

I've never seen it, but thought of it the other night when a check swing situation came up in my son's game. The batter didn't ask and it wasn't anything game changing...just wondered...

Thanx!

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Originally posted by TurnTwoNet:
If he calls it a swing, is the batter allowed to request appeal?

Sorry, no can do.

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Originally posted by TurnTwoNet:
Not to hijack the thread, but can I turn the question around as well? If he calls it a swing, is the batter allowed to request appeal?

I've never seen it, but thought of it the other night when a check swing situation came up in my son's game. The batter didn't ask and it wasn't anything game changing...just wondered...

Thanx!

Only checked swings ruled a "ball" by the PU may be appealed.

Jimmy and Dash you're not going to like hearing this but I asked for an appeal while in the third base box and got it. Check swing called a strike and I sarcastically called out "Can I appeal that?" and the guy behind the plate went straight to his buddy behind first base - "Did he go?". It caught him completely off guard but he did back the plate ump and called it a strike.

I bet they had a nice conversation after the game was over at the car.

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Originally posted by coach2709:
Jimmy and Dash you're not going to like hearing this but I asked for an appeal while in the third base box and got it. Check swing called a strike and I sarcastically called out "Can I appeal that?" and the guy behind the plate went straight to his buddy behind first base - "Did he go?". It caught him completely off guard but he did back the plate ump and called it a strike.

I bet they had a nice conversation after the game was over at the car.

I had a rookie partner do this. I supported the call b/c I knew I can't change a strike to a ball.

In between innings, I told him "If this were a HS game, I would have just looked at him funny." Since it wasn't, I gave the same call.

I work a few games with our first year guys as part of our training program. I had a rookie honor an offensive coach's request on a strike and come to me. I called time and met him half way up the first baseline where I privately told him that the offense cannot appeal a strike.

He notified the coach of the same and went back behind the plate and put the ball back in play.

There was no way I was going to provide any credibility to that coach and his ridiculous "get some help."

I had an idiot varsity coach ask for a check on a check swing and I had to inform him that it wasn't possible. He was most putout, then had a meltdown later over another stupid call that he was trying to argue. I should have dumped him but he didn't have an asst that day. Could have restricted him but I didn't think of it.

I have a quick question for you men in blue then.... With a two man crew how often can you really tell if a player actually made an attempt (Check swing) when you are in position behind the pitcher on a requested appeal?

I mean to overrule the plate umpire. I have a hard time accepting the number of times that the field ump awards a strike that the home plate umpire couldnt see in the first place from that position.

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Originally posted by GovernorTim:
I have a quick question for you men in blue then.... With a two man crew how often can you really tell if a player actually made an attempt (Check swing) when you are in position behind the pitcher on a requested appeal?

I mean to overrule the plate umpire. I have a hard time accepting the number of times that the field ump awards a strike that the home plate umpire couldnt see in the first place from that position.

Often the PU is blocked out totally by the catcher's movements. The BU on the grass, to one side of the pitcher or the other, can be the only umpire that saw anything.

Those who believe they cannot judge an attmpt either are untrained or afraid to make the call.

I learned at proschool to look for two things when judging an attempt from nearly head on: Position/movement of the torso and how much of the bat I can see.

If the batter has rotated so that I can nearly see his belt buckle and I have the full or near full profile of the bat in view...he went.

Remember, "breaking of the wrists", "barrel breaking the plane" and other alleged requirements are myths.

Thanks for the info Jimmy03. as for the myth's I dont know why they still exsist.... Or who still continues to teach that.

I will look for losing the butt of the bat and seeing the end of the barrel. If I see the end of the bat from the middle, you are getting rung up. I have said this many times, if you aren't sure then no strike.

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Originally posted by Jimmy03:
Those who believe they cannot judge an attmpt either are untrained or afraid to make the call.

agreed, 1000%...........you come to me and you will get my opinion......

Thanx for the input guys...I figured that was the case for the offense, but never hurts to be informed...