Appeal HBP?

My knee jerk reaction is PU should be able to see this and stands by his call.

Second thought is he is very unsure of his call.  If Bu has information for PU they could get together and get the call right.

Any PU who agrees to make that appeal needs to grow a sac.

It is ultimately plate ump call. I don't know why he would even consider entertaining the thought of talking to field umpire?

If I had called a HBP and made an award, then I got it........period...end of story

Hard to tell which umpire was dumber.

You should see some of the appeals made in HS softball. Thursday night we had a safe/out call at first. No question on pulling the foot. The BU blew it (in our favor) but was convinced by opposing coach and about 50 fans to go ask for help from the HU, who basically stared at him with a look like, "dude, that's your call".

Same game: Opposing pitcher was jumping like a ballerina on every pitch. Our coach goes out to BU and asks why that isn't an illegal pitch (he tells me this later). BU calls time out and asks HU to explain "illegal pitch" to him. HU turns to our coach and says, "Play ball".

You can't make this stuff up.

ok,...under OBR rules any umpires decision which involves judgment, such as, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, fair foul, ball strike, safe out is final...(rule is around 9.00 or so ..)

so in the OP....

The Umpire called the HBP, hopefully by calling TIME....

The Umpire made the base award thus deciding that in his judgment that the conditions were met to award the base.....

There is no further discussion....... 

I can not imagine a scenario where HPU would then decide to go to his partner and appeal his already executed HBP judgment call to a partner who was farther away than he was...Nothing in any training supports this...

His partner compounds the issue by participating ....

PIAA: there are soooo many times where a coach convinces a BU to ask for help that it is amazing. When I see a BU simply state it was his call and he called it, no matter how bad or for which team, I applaud him.

I want to hear ump's simply start replying "NO!" when a coach( myself or any other) asks to get help on a call other than a check swing.

"Hey blue, can you ask your partner what he saw?"

"NO!"

"NO!" isn't always the right answer.

There are other plays besides a check swing where the umpire not making the call can help if asked.  

Consider the flip side of this play, for example.  I'm just starting to work JV games, which means I don't get games featuring the best pitchers.  I had a play a couple weeks ago in which a struggling pitcher unintentionally threw behind a left handed batter, close enough that the pitch might have hit the batter.  I didn't know if it hit him or not.  Had no way of telling.  I didn't hear any contact, and I sure couldn't have seen any contact.  So I just called it a ball.  If the offensive team's coach had asked me to get help from my partner (who was in position A), I would have quite happily obliged him.  

That's not being wishy-washy.  That's being more interested in getting it right than in just looking like I'm in control.  

Similarly, on ground balls in the infield, the plate umpire is supposed to look for the first baseman pulling his foot, running lane violations, and swipe tags that the base umpire might not have a good view of.  The base umpire makes the call, and it remains his call even if he decides, either on his own initiative or at the request of a head coach, to seek additional information from his partner who was positioned and trained to be gathering that information. Again, that's not being wishy-washy.  It's exercising due diligence to give the kids the best officiated game we can.

I do agree with the senior umpires who have weighed on this play, but I have a question for them.  What if the issue at question wasn't whether the batter had intentionally moved into the pitch but whether he had swung at the pitch?  Would you be willing, after awarding a base for HBP, to ask your partner if the batter had swung?  If not, what makes it different from a checked swing on a pitch that didn't hit the batter?

Of course.