Appeal Play Question

An appeal has to be distinguished from making a play. Here, they were making a play on the runner, not appealing his leaving early.

To make the appeal, they will need to tell the umpire they are appealing the runner leaving early by verbal or unmistakable physical action. They can tag the runner after telling the umpire why they are tagging him. Or, they can throw to 3B and tag 3B while telling the umpire or the umpire can tell by the actions.

The tag on the play is not sufficient enough for an appeal play. The only difference between OBR and FED is that FED allows a verbal appeal without actually making the tag of the base or runner if the ball is dead unless you live in SC (totally different issue going on there). OBR has to have a live ball and the runner or base has to be tagged.

I am a little confused by the question. If they tag him out at the plate, why worry about an appeal.

Runner reaches the plate before the tag.

Gothcha, I read the tag as being an out. At that point you need to throw back to third.

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Originally posted by Michael S. Taylor:
Gothcha, I read the tag as being an out. At that point you need to throw back to third.

Or tag the runner again and appeal that he left early

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Originally posted by Mr Umpire:
OBR has to have a live ball and the runner or base has to be tagged.

Is this why around here we have to put the pitcher back on the mound, step off the rubber, THEN throw over to the appeal base?

Seems like a waste of time.

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Originally posted by biggerpapi:

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Originally posted by Mr Umpire:
OBR has to have a live ball and the runner or base has to be tagged.

Is this why around here we have to put the pitcher back on the mound, step off the rubber, THEN throw over to the appeal base?

Seems like a waste of time.

You wouldn't have to do that if the ball was still live. Only if something caused it to be "dead." Why? Because certain things have to be satisfied for the umpire to put the ball in play and the pitcher in possession of the ball and on the rubber is one of things.

Okay, so if the catcher receives the throw just after the runner slides across the plate, he can immediately throw down to third and ask for the appeal.

That would be a lot quicker.

Thanks for the explanation.

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Originally posted by biggerpapi:
Okay, so if the catcher receives the throw just after the runner slides across the plate, he can immediately throw down to third and ask for the appeal.

That would be a lot quicker.

Thanks for the explanation.

Exactly. Too many think the pitcher has to get on the rubber before an appeal can be made. Not true unless the ball is "dead" for some reason. Sadly, umpires think the same was as well and don't bother to realize it does not have to be done that way if the ball was not "dead" in the first place. Also, too many umpires call Time after plays for no reason. This furthers the confusion.

Unfortunately another thing that many youth umpires screw up is appeals incorrectly appealed while the ball is still dead. They correctly know that the ball has to be live but for some reason will then disallow an appeal when done properly with a live ball. They believe the dead ball appeal counts and won't allow a second shot after it is live. This is completely wrong but it happens more times than I would like.

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Originally posted by Michael S. Taylor:
Unfortunately another thing that many youth umpires screw up is appeals incorrectly appealed while the ball is still dead. They correctly know that the ball has to be live but for some reason will then disallow an appeal when done properly with a live ball. They believe the dead ball appeal counts and won't allow a second shot after it is live. This is completely wrong but it happens more times than I would like.

And how many youth coaches and players make the same mistake? I can't tell you how many times I've heard, "He left early, throw it back to the pitcher, then call time so we can appeal"

If the runner was running back to third, there would be no question about beating him with a throw, but the fact that he's crossed home plate and is walking to the dugout somehow changes everyone's thinking.