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Discussion in the forum tends toward the mechanical side of hitting. But no matter how technically perfect a kid's swing is, if he doesn't have a good approach at the plate, he will be less effective as a batter than he could be.

Watching high school baseball I see it all the time: kids swinging at pitches that are either out of the zone, or when they are ahead in the count swinging at a pitch that might be in the zone but that cannot be hit anywhere productive.

In my opinion coaches don't spend anywhere near enough time teaching approach. And at the high school level, I think choosing when to swing and what to swing at might very well be the most important factor in batting success.

How many times have you seen a kid swing at a good curveball on a 0-0 count? That tells me he doesn't have good pitch recognition, and perhaps that he isn't thinking clearly about what he is looking to hit.

Or the kid who swings at a chin high fastball. At the high school level, it seems to me, that batters help the pitchers so darn much by either swinging at balls, or swinging at the "pitcher's pitch" and getting down in the count so now all they will see is the "pitcher's pitch."

So, here are my questions:

1) do you agree that approach is as important as swing mechanics?
2) what things do you do to improve your batters' approach?

It is so very common to see high school hitters swing at pitches that simply cannot be hit anywhere hard, and conversely, to take pitches that CAN be hit hard.

IMO, this is the most important, yet least focused on, aspect of hitting.
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I agree with you Rob. I have coached HS baseball for quite a while, and right now coaching summer ball. Kids aren't taught much about approach as you call or just having a plan. I have worked with my hitters on a few things in the summer. When you go up there you must have a plan. Every time you hit your plan is dictated by the situation. If you are the lead off hitter of the game you need to have patience at the plate and take the 1st strike. If there is a man on 2nd base late in the game with no outs and the game is tied or close, you want to focus on a ground ball to the right side. I cna only give them so many signs on what to do from the 3rd base coaching spot, so they have to understand what they need to do. My kids have gotten much better but still struggle. My kids actually have a very hard time when up in the count. If they are up 2-0, 3-1, 2-1, whatever it is. It got to a point with some that I had to put the take on for 2-0 they were swinging at everything. Some of them earned the right to swing because they showed they could handle it. I try to teahc zone hitting where for the first 2 strikes look for a pitch in your zone if it isn't there let it go. Now 2 strikes different story. I know hitting mchanics are VERY important in the game, but approach or plan is in my opinion just as important, but it has to be practiced just like mechanics.
i def agree with what you guys are saying. i have a great example in my last game where i had to change my approach during the game. the pitcher we were facing had very good off speed pitches. i ussually get deep into the count but this guy rarely threw balls. my first at bat i struck out swinging at a changeup on a 0-2 count. next at bat i struck out on a curveball swinging on a 1-2 count. but then my next at bat i went up to the plate thinking im going to get a fastball early in the count and crush it. well the first pitch was a fastball way inside and it got by the catcher and allowed for the runner at third to score. next pitch was another fastball that i grounded past the third basemen for a double. my last at bat i got a first pitch fastball and drove it to centerfield. most kids on my team would give up after striking out twice like i did because they just kinda go up to the plate having no clue what there gonna do.
Great topic and posts thus far!!

Austin your approach intrigues me. It sounds as though you expected a fastball because you had seen so many breaking balls previously? That obviously was the right plan because he threw the fastballs and you executed. At least you had a plan!

Many pitchers however (or coaches calling the pitches) will keep going to the same well when they have success. Thus, maybe "a take the pitch the otherway approach" may have worked if he would have continued throwing off speed? Just food for thought. What would your approach have been btw if he wouldn't have thrown the fastballs as you anticipated?

The best book I have ever read on an approach to hitting is the Science of Hitting by Ted Williams. It may be more sophisiticated than many players need at the lower levels but it shows a hitter how to learn to think like a pitcher. One thing he said that stuck with me was that if a pitcher got him out on a certtain pitch that he could guarantee he would see that pitch the next time up. Thus, he would go up looking for that pitch. His best line was "Find a good pitch to hit" which he learned from the great Rogers Hornsby. I read somewhere where Willie Mays would find out what a pitcher's best pitch was and go up there and look for that pitch. The obvious approach is to try and work fastball counts. The great ones will often not throw fastballs in those counts however.
Patrick - most of what you say I agree with, but not automatically taking a strike with no outs. That strike might be the best pitch the batter sees!

And if it comes on the first pitch, now you are down in the count and have to deal with what the pitcher wants to throw.

I favor guys only swinging at a pitch they can drive on the 0-0, 0-1 and 0-2 counts. A curve in the zone let it go.

But so few kids seem to be able to recognize which pitches are driveable. That is what is not taught very well.

When I coached little league we had a batting practice game we played. In fact we called it "The Game.' The kid would stay in the cage as long as he did not swing at a ball or take a strike. Swing and miss at a strike - he stays in for another pitch. Swing at a ball and crank it - he is out.

The contest was to see who could stay at bat for the most pitches. When they took their at bats in the actual games, we just yelled to them: "Play the game!"
clevelanddad, you bring up a good point. in both of my at bats where i struck out, he only threw two breaking balls which were the ones i swung and missed on to strike out. he threw all fastballs to get ahead in the count. so thats why i was expecting fastball early. however if he did throw me some breaking balls early in the count i most likely would have let them go by. i only look fastball until i get 2 strikes on me and then i look fastball and adjust to a breaking ball. my only problem is that ill be looking for a fastball middle in and ill get it there but ill be too eager to swing cause i know its right there. so i dont stay back. in my last game i got a perfect pitch and drove it over the third basemens head and it rolled all the way to the fence but i know if i would have stayed back more it couldve been jacked to left center(maybe over the fence. probably not but i like to think that).
As the pitching gets better, as CD says, the strategy of waiting for fastballs on fastball counts is less successful.

A couple nights ago we were facing one of the state's best pitchers, a lefty throwing in the high 80s with excellent command of two pitches. He was one-hitting us through six innings.

First two at bats he started my son out with a curve for a strike. He grounded out on one of those at bats, he milked a BB out of the other.

Third at bat, he told me after the game: "I knew he was going to start me out with that curve again, and he would throw it for a strike. I had to hit his pitch, and I sat on it, sure enough it came."

He got enough of it to get a leadoff single that sparked a three run rally in the bottom of the seventh to win 3-2.

So that's the Mays'approach - know his best pitch, know he is going to throw it, and since you are looking for it, you might just be able to hit it!
Rob, I believe that approach can be even more important than mechanics. A kid with average or inconsistent mechanics can contribute with a solid well planned approach. A kid with good mechanics and no approach may have more problems than he'd like.
During hitting instruction I always preach approach, count, tendencies of the pitcher, type of pitches, arm angles. There is always more to learn. Those that absorb and have a plan at the plate will be more successful than your average good mechanical hitter.
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Originally posted by Rob Kremer:
Patrick - most of what you say I agree with, but not automatically taking a strike with no outs. That strike might be the best pitch the batter sees!

And if it comes on the first pitch, now you are down in the count and have to deal with what the pitcher wants to throw.

I favor guys only swinging at a pitch they can drive on the 0-0, 0-1 and 0-2 counts. A curve in the zone let it go.

But so few kids seem to be able to recognize which pitches are driveable. That is what is not taught very well.

When I coached little league we had a batting practice game we played. In fact we called it "The Game.' The kid would stay in the cage as long as he did not swing at a ball or take a strike. Swing and miss at a strike - he stays in for another pitch. Swing at a ball and crank it - he is out.

The contest was to see who could stay at bat for the most pitches. When they took their at bats in the actual games, we just yelled to them: "Play the game!"


Rob I was talking about if you were the 1st hitter in the game. With my kids this summer I put that on because some were swinging at the 1st pitch of the game and popping up . I want the lead off guy the #1 hitter of the game to see a few pitches. Make the pitcher work.

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