Average 60 yard times by age

With a little training a kid can improve his sixty time beyond what comes naturally. After my son grew from 5'11" 135 to 6' 160 I got him 60 time specific training.

Depending on body type this would be possible...2018 (june bday) went from a 7.83 (Feb 2015) as a 15yr old to a 6.96 (Aug 2016) as a 16yr old.  He did winter track and worked legs...he's working toward a sub 6.8 before the end of winter workouts.

PlayWithEffort posted:

There are dozens of threads here about 60 times but does anyone know an average or typical 60 yard time for players by age or grade? 

Take a look at this link and excerpt included below. Is this a reasonable expectation of improvement year over year as the player gets older and matures? I understand individual improvements will vary and will concede that anomilies exist but is this typical? I would expect there to be some improvement gains as one gets older (similar to strength or velocity) but how much is considered typical?

https://www.infosports.com/baseball/arch/1166.Htm

Except from the blog follows:

0.5 sec per year from age 11 until 15.
Then, 0.2 sec thereafter. This means for
the 60 yard dash:

9.5 sec age 11
9.0 sec age 12
8.5 sec age 13
8.0 sec age 14
7.5 sec age 15
7.3 sec age 16
7.1 sec age 17
6.9 sec age 18

Why does the chart not continue on to age 50, 60, 70 etc.  I would be curious to see that 

The link doesn't seem to be working - for me, anyway.  

Here's some data for you, based on current PG percentiles this year:

2017:  a 7.17 sixty is the 50th percentile for the class of 2017 this year

2018:  a 7.31 sixty is the 51st percentile for the class of 2018 this year

2019:  a 7.41 sixty is the 51st percentile for the class of 2019 this year

2020:  a 7.66 sixty is the 52nd percentile for the class of 2020 this year

2021: a 7.85 sixty is the 50th percentile for the class of 2021 this year

Based on the above, the numbers from the blog seem fairly accurate.

cabbagedad posted:

PlayWithEffort posted:

There are dozens of threads here about 60 times but does anyone know an average or typical 60 yard time for players by age or grade? 

Take a look at this link and excerpt included below. Is this a reasonable expectation of improvement year over year as the player gets older and matures? I understand individual improvements will vary and will concede that anomilies exist but is this typical? I would expect there to be some improvement gains as one gets older (similar to strength or velocity) but how much is considered typical?

https://www.infosports.com/baseball/arch/1166.Htm

Except from the blog follows:

0.5 sec per year from age 11 until 15.
Then, 0.2 sec thereafter. This means for
the 60 yard dash:

9.5 sec age 11
9.0 sec age 12
8.5 sec age 13
8.0 sec age 14
7.5 sec age 15
7.3 sec age 16
7.1 sec age 17
6.9 sec age 18

Why does the chart not continue on to age 50, 60, 70 etc.  I would be curious to see that 

The link doesn't seem to be working - for me, anyway.  

Lol! 

Sorry about the link. For some reason, I can find it via Google but it doesn't work when I copy the link into the post. Anyway, there's not much more in the link than what I pasted in as the excerpt. 

2019Dad posted:

Here's some data for you, based on current PG percentiles this year:

2017:  a 7.17 sixty is the 50th percentile for the class of 2017 this year

2018:  a 7.31 sixty is the 51st percentile for the class of 2018 this year

2019:  a 7.41 sixty is the 51st percentile for the class of 2019 this year

2020:  a 7.66 sixty is the 52nd percentile for the class of 2020 this year

2021: a 7.85 sixty is the 50th percentile for the class of 2021 this year

Based on the above, the numbers from the blog seem fairly accurate.

Thanks 2019Dad. Interesting information. The average improvement isn't quite as dramatic as the blog's .5 second but there is an improvement in times at roughly the 50th percentile. 

PlayWithEffort posted:

2019Dad posted:

Here's some data for you, based on current PG percentiles this year:

2017:  a 7.17 sixty is the 50th percentile for the class of 2017 this year

2018:  a 7.31 sixty is the 51st percentile for the class of 2018 this year

2019:  a 7.41 sixty is the 51st percentile for the class of 2019 this year

2020:  a 7.66 sixty is the 52nd percentile for the class of 2020 this year

2021: a 7.85 sixty is the 50th percentile for the class of 2021 this year

Based on the above, the numbers from the blog seem fairly accurate.

Thanks 2019Dad. Interesting information. The average improvement isn't quite as dramatic as the blog's .5 second but there is an improvement in times at roughly the 50th percentile. 

 

So, from a statistics standpoint (and PGStaff could confirm), I would assume that as the further the graduation date (i.e., younger player), the smaller you sample size in the numbers from PG.  That is, there are far fewer players attending PG showcases and having a 60 time recorded at the younger age than the metrics reported in the older ages.  My assumption is that there is a significant increase in participants within the same graduation class over time to their Jr year.

This would certainly skew the numbers (and percentage gain) over time.  My guess is that if you were to measure only the control group (only the players who posted the 7.85 average for the 2021 class) through each year, you may see numbers closer to the blog's.

RJM posted:

With a little training a kid can improve his sixty time beyond what comes naturally. After my son grew from 5'11" 135 to 6' 160 I got him 60 time specific training.

RJ, Exact same scenario for mine. He hit 6'0" 160 & we had a showcase coming up in about 6 weeks. He was at 7.28 to start & with 6 weeks of 1X / week meeting with speed & conditioning coach & doing his "homework," he got to a 7.06. Most importantly, the mechanics of proper stride, arm swing, start position, body angle & several other factors have now been added to his run mechanics moving forward. I provide you these #s just as an illustration for what is possible in a short period of time. He always ran extremely well but his form now is greatly improved, I feel.

I would encourage those out there who have a player willing to put in the work to get this training if you can afford it. We paired up with a buddy & had both of them train & it cut cost in a major way ($45 / 1 Hr. session per athlete). The run just seems to be so critical now for a position player & we do not think twice about paying for hitting or pitching instruction, but proper run mechanics & training can have a major positive impact here. If the player is not willing to put in time away from the instructor, you are mostly wasting your $$. I had to wait for mine to buy in before I was willing to spend the $$ ( he is 14).

My 2017 son's experience was probably a bit of an anomaly but going into this past summer his best "official" 60 was 7.0. He was busy and so were the coaches I tried to get him to, so before HF he was able to get in just one session with a speed coach, and then he worked on the stuff the coach gave him for a couple weeks. After that he ran a 6.59 at HF.

JCG posted:

My 2017 son's experience was probably a bit of an anomaly but going into this past summer his best "official" 60 was 7.0. He was busy and so were the coaches I tried to get him to, so before HF he was able to get in just one session with a speed coach, and then he worked on the stuff the coach gave him for a couple weeks. After that he ran a 6.59 at HF.

I doubt 0.4 improvement is the norm, but I've always thought a good sprint coach and an "untrained" athlete could drop at least 2 tenths.

Go44dad posted:

JCG posted:

My 2017 son's experience was probably a bit of an anomaly but going into this past summer his best "official" 60 was 7.0. He was busy and so were the coaches I tried to get him to, so before HF he was able to get in just one session with a speed coach, and then he worked on the stuff the coach gave him for a couple weeks. After that he ran a 6.59 at HF.

I doubt 0.4 improvement is the norm, but I've always thought a good sprint coach and an "untrained" athlete could drop at least 2 tenths.

JCG, that's a major jump.  My guy's was more along the lines of Go44's thoughts. 7.0 before training, 6.81 after a month or so.  Did your kid work out every day on technique?  Mine was 3x week.

You'd better be careful of kids "watching the stop watch," trying to overrun and blowing out their knee.  

Oh, and BTW.  My prodigious offspring runs a 5.2 60 as a 15 y/o while dragging an obdurate mule behind him.

All of this, of course is a spoof on how apoplectic some people get over radar gunning pitchers and asking about average velocities at younger ages.

Smoke, he met with the coach once, then worked out maybe 4 times on his own. I think he was like the smart kid who does poorly in standardized tests until somebody gives him basic technique for time management, guessing strategy, etc. and then he kills it.  You've seen video -- he's usually the fastest guy on the field, but he needed, and still could use, work on starting as well as basic work on form.

Great time, man.  I was thrilled when 2017 finally got below 7.  It makes a big difference.

At 18 I was our fastest pitcher at 7.2, but most position players were well under 7.  My technique was raw back then, so I think I could be faster now.  

My 2018  went to a PG event the summer after his Freshman year and had his 60 time recorded at 7.2. He was in the top five for his age group. He has not been able to go to another PG showcase yet and is upset that his time is "stuck" at 7.2 with PG on the website when he ran a 6.6 this past January at another showcase.( bigger stronger and much faster) I was told the only way to post a better time is to do another PG showcase (The WWBA and the other PG tournaments do not have a timed 60 run only PG showcases). He has been to other camps where recruiters have timed his game speed from home to first base and was told that was more important to colleges.

I am not sure about the average improvement in the 60 each year but I know that you can expect to get faster as you mature in high school.  Are colleges moving more toward the recorded speeds of a player going from the plate to first? I think the 60 is not a baseball measurement anyway. 

Does anyone know what the average college time from home to first is? MLB average also?

Story - while I was at PG this summer, I was speaking to a LOT of college coaches...just because I am very chatty.  Anyway - I asked a D1 coach from a school in Indiana why they use the 60 instead of home to 1st and his answer "I don't know - it is just what they have always used.  Some coaches do not care about it and others do. "

My understanding is that MLB average home to first is about 4.0. I also understand that the origin of the 60 is that it matches home to 2nd base. 180'=60 yds.

nxt lvl posted:

My 2018  went to a PG event the summer after his Freshman year and had his 60 time recorded at 7.2. He was in the top five for his age group. He has not been able to go to another PG showcase yet and is upset that his time is "stuck" at 7.2 with PG on the website when he ran a 6.6 this past January at another showcase.( bigger stronger and much faster) I was told the only way to post a better time is to do another PG showcase (The WWBA and the other PG tournaments do not have a timed 60 run only PG showcases). He has been to other camps where recruiters have timed his game speed from home to first base and was told that was more important to colleges.

I am not sure about the average improvement in the 60 each year but I know that you can expect to get faster as you mature in high school.  Are colleges moving more toward the recorded speeds of a player going from the plate to first? I think the 60 is not a baseball measurement anyway. 

Does anyone know what the average college time from home to first is? MLB average also?

I've heard this a LOT.  It is one of the reasons coaches caution showcasing early.  Those stats get "stuck" on the players PG page and they won't go away until you replace them with another showcase.

A local 2016 D1 recruit, whose parents apparently had money to burn, went to SIX showcases from 2012-2016.  Each time he focused and trained for only one thing, for example he trained hard and only focused on his 60 time for one of the showcases, only focused on getting his pop time down for another showcase.  While all measurables were taken at each showcase the home page of the player shows you the best times/speed in those categories.

If you read the fine print on his PG page you would see that his best pop time was from 2013, his best 60 time was from 2015, best FB was from 2016....but when you pull up his page you see he had MANY great numbers, it was impressive, but wow that must have been expensive!