Bad behavior at PG event

My favorite "do you know who I am" story ...

My ex was a waitress in high school. The wife of an all star baseball player gave her grief from the moment she arrived. The woman resorted t yelling, Do you know who I am?" She was very abusive. She became the customer my ex "accidentally tripped and dropped the dinner in her lap." The word was the baseball player was just as classy in public.

Sounds like a Trump story.

2forU posted:

Sounds like a Trump story.

Being an ass in public and not recognizing it knows no political party boundaries.

Roothog, can you share the team or coach name?

Bogeyorpar, it really serves no purpose to call out names here and make this any worse than it already is. Just google the tournament mentioned above and after a few minutes one should be able to deduce this person if they really want or need to know. This site does try to be about class and value. As well as a good place to vent when frustrated!

YGD

Sent you a message, Bogey. Normally, I would have just called him out, but checked myself. Plus, I don't want to publicly judge someone on a single moment in his life. Though, it's tempting.

roothog66 posted:

Sent you a message, Bogey. Normally, I would have just called him out, but checked myself. Plus, I don't want to publicly judge someone on a single moment in his life. Though, it's tempting.

Seems as though you already have.

Two years ago at PG witnessed some bad behavior from one of my heroes growing up, Roger Clemens. He was taunting one of the opposing teams players in the game before my sons game. Lost a lot of respect for him.

I have to say this.  Roger has attended many of our events that his boys played in.  Never, not once, have I seen him do anything other than watch and sign autographs.

I did hear about an incident when his kids were very young, but we have never seen anything like that at our events.  At one tournament we had to put up fencing around the dugout because people were actually going into the dugout for autographs.  He never complained about it, just signed for them, we just thought it wasn't right.

So even if he did something, we have never seen anything like that.  In fact, what we have seen would be the complete opposite.

That said, we have seen plenty of Former Major League players make a fool out of them self. They're just like any other dad, some are good others not so good.

PGStaff posted:

 

That said, we have seen plenty of Former Major League players make a fool out of them self. They're just like any other dad, some are good others not so good.

I think this sums it up pretty well!

old_school posted:

PGStaff posted:

 

That said, we have seen plenty of Former Major League players make a fool out of them self. They're just like any other dad, some are good others not so good.

I think this sums it up pretty well!

Agreed. Just because a coach has a "former MLB player" in his resume doesn't make him Mr. Wonderful.  Also seems like they came with a chip on their shoulders. 

I still don't understand what the value or importance of a tournament in winter can be, especially for young pitchers. I guess that shocks me more than anything. I with Cressey on this one.

The line "Don't you know who I am" doesn't work when I use it in my household. FYI.

joemktg posted:

The line "Don't you know who I am" doesn't work when I use it in my household. FYI.

Joemktg...why don't you try "Don't you know what I can do???"  Scares the crud out of my kids!  They have very interesting imaginations.

My son played two summers on the same team that Roger's kid played on.  I never saw him do anything that was anything short of professional and in most cases he went overboard signing and taking pics.  Biggio and Woody William's kids were on the same team and the same goes for both of those guys.  I'm not a Clemen's fan, but I cannot think of one time that he ever treated anyone unfairly or unprofessionally.  I have always considered Woody and Biggio good people and good friends.  

PGStaff and Overthehill - that day was my only interaction with Roger so it is good to see that it was probably just an isolated incident. 

Picked Off posted:

roothog66 posted:

Sent you a message, Bogey. Normally, I would have just called him out, but checked myself. Plus, I don't want to publicly judge someone on a single moment in his life. Though, it's tempting.

Seems as though you already have.

 

I guess I did, though not by name. However, what the heck. It isn't like he can deny it. There were at least a hundred people standing around that heard him. If a kid can be judged by coaches on one bad tempered moment in their lives, why not a coach? It was Jeff Cirrilo. Maybe he regrets it. Maybe not. I hope he does.

roothog66 posted:

Picked Off posted:

roothog66 posted:

Sent you a message, Bogey. Normally, I would have just called him out, but checked myself. Plus, I don't want to publicly judge someone on a single moment in his life. Though, it's tempting.

Seems as though you already have.

 

I guess I did, though not by name. However, what the heck. It isn't like he can deny it. There were at least a hundred people standing around that heard him. If a kid can be judged by coaches on one bad tempered moment in their lives, why not a coach? It was Jeff Cirrilo. Maybe he regrets it. Maybe not. I hope he does.

You couldn't resist, you had to put his name out there. Most could have figured it out on their own if they cared. I would caution you when naming names and making your personal comments. The baseball recuriting/scouting world is very small, as well as protected. You don't want to be that dad that holds back his kid because they don't want to deal with you. Most know who you are and who your kid is. It sounds like your son has a lot going for him. Don't hurt his chances by spouting off.

If this would have been just another crazy parent/coach it would have been, seen that, heard that, he needs to be spoken too. I was once told by a long time MLB player that the hardest thing for him to deal with was how to control his killer/winner take all mentality when not playing.

I once was at a youth game my son was playing in against a team coached by Dusty Baker & Giants PC Dave Reghetti. Dusty's son was on the team. Dusty had his moments during that game.

My son played on a team that included Manny Jr. I was  blown away by how poorly fans treated this young man with their taunts and bad behavior.

Everyone has a bad day, especially when coaching. We all wish we could walk back bad behavior at some point. I've found nothing but good things written about this coach. That day may have been his first, but was only brought to light because he played the game at the highest level.

For what its worth, as I'm sure you don't like what I have to say. I was once told by a RC that they prefer parents that look like the ones painted in the stands at Field of Dreams Parks. Nothing you say will help your son, but what you do say can most definitely hurt!

Picked Off posted:

roothog66 posted:

Picked Off posted:

roothog66 posted:

Sent you a message, Bogey. Normally, I would have just called him out, but checked myself. Plus, I don't want to publicly judge someone on a single moment in his life. Though, it's tempting.

Seems as though you already have.

 

I guess I did, though not by name. However, what the heck. It isn't like he can deny it. There were at least a hundred people standing around that heard him. If a kid can be judged by coaches on one bad tempered moment in their lives, why not a coach? It was Jeff Cirrilo. Maybe he regrets it. Maybe not. I hope he does.

You couldn't resist, you had to put his name out there. Most could have figured it out on their own if they cared. I would caution you when naming names and making your personal comments. The baseball recuriting/scouting world is very small, as well as protected. You don't want to be that dad that holds back his kid because they don't want to deal with you. Most know who you are and who your kid is. It sounds like your son has a lot going for him. Don't hurt his chances by spouting off.

If this would have been just another crazy parent/coach it would have been, seen that, heard that, he needs to be spoken too. I was once told by a long time MLB player that the hardest thing for him to deal with was how to control his killer/winner take all mentality when not playing.

I once was at a youth game my son was playing in against a team coached by Dusty Baker & Giants PC Dave Reghetti. Dusty's son was on the team. Dusty had his moments during that game.

My son played on a team that included Manny Jr. I was  blown away by how poorly fans treated this young man with their taunts and bad behavior.

Everyone has a bad day, especially when coaching. We all wish we could walk back bad behavior at some point. I've found nothing but good things written about this coach. That day may have been his first, but was only brought to light because he played the game at the highest level.

For what its worth, as I'm sure you don't like what I have to say. I was once told by a RC that they prefer parents that look like the ones painted in the stands at Field of Dreams Parks. Nothing you say will help your son, but what you do say can most definitely hurt!

I guess if everyone took the opinion that it's a bad idea to call him out on his bad behavior, you would only read positive things, huh? He may be a great coach to play for. May be a sweetheart to his wife and kids. I don't know.  I (and many others standing around) got to see him that one time and the impression was a very bad one. Berating a teenager for a scoring mistake was unacceptable and I have no qualms calling him out. Maybe he apologized. I'd be interested in knowing that. I'd also be interested in what good things you've read about him. I don't find anything good or bad written about him personally.

FWIW, Jeff was very apologetic afterwards. He also sent an email saying how much fun the kids had and he wants to attend more PG events.

We have seen many coaches and parents explode.  Some of those have become friends of ours over the years.  Guess it just shows that we are not all wired the same way.

I do hate hearing those words... Do you know who I am?   Always want to answer...  Yes, you are an idiot!

PGStaff posted:

FWIW, Jeff was very apologetic afterwards. He also sent an email saying how much fun the kids had and he wants to attend more PG events.

We have seen many coaches and parents explode.  Some of those have become friends of ours over the years.  Guess it just shows that we are not all wired the same way.

I do hate hearing those words... Do you know who I am?   Always want to answer...  Yes, you are an idiot!

I'm very happy to hear that. It's actually worth a lot. I can't say that I've never done anything on a baseball field that wouldn't leave me looking bad in the eyes of anyone watching. It's also good to know he'll play more events. My son wanted to pitch against them badly. Their starting shortstop and he share the same first and last names and he wanted a battle for internet search engine supremacy.

Reminds me of the Mitch Williams incident a while back http://www.phillymag.com/artic...liams-little-league/ .  Whether he did it or not, and especially in the digital age we live in, the court of public opinion is very strong - especially for celebrities and athletes.  It can also come back to bite all involved (slander / libel / defamation if proven not accurate).  Really not sure that naming who did it was needed and also glad to hear of the apology. 

Phanatic posted:

Reminds me of the Mitch Williams incident a while back http://www.phillymag.com/artic...liams-little-league/ .  Whether he did it or not, and especially in the digital age we live in, the court of public opinion is very strong - especially for celebrities and athletes.  It can also come back to bite all involved (slander / libel / defamation if proven not accurate).  Really not sure that naming who did it was needed and also glad to hear of the apology. 

A successful defamation suit is highly unlikely in any case, even if inaccurate. There's a lot that must be proved way beyond that it wasn't true. Most such suits fall apart at the point where damages must be proved. As far as naming a person, what would be the purpose of withholding? To avoid shaming a person who has done something wrong? In my case, it was actually the GOAL to shame him. He humiliated a teen PG employee in a public forum. I have no problems doing the same to him in an equally public forum. Having said that, I can regain some respect for him based on his apology to the organization and, I assume, a personal apology to the kid. If that had been my kid I would most likely be telling my story about the day Jeff Cirillo kicked my butt.

he blew up, he was wrong... I'm sure he knows it, he apologized, hopefully to the employee.... play. coach / parent long enough and it will happen to you.... of course if it does you should be prepared for the consequences .

PA2016Backstopdad posted:

Two years ago at PG witnessed some bad behavior from one of my heroes growing up, Roger Clemens. He was taunting one of the opposing teams players in the game before my sons game. Lost a lot of respect for him.

His son's team was at Cooperstown the same week my son was.  I heard a story that there were a group of kids playing wiffleball in downtown Cooperstown.  He walked up, asked if he could play with them and proceeded to pitch to all the kids for quite a while.  I did not hear any bad stories about him during that week.

I don't think he should have been called out publicly, because I have,  and have seen others make a mistake in judgment in the heat of the battle.  I am not proud of some of the things that I did, and announcing it to the whole world isn't really coolest thing to do.  Of course that is IMHO.  These guys are human, just as we are, and we don't know what may have been going on in his life at that time.  I am glad he apologized, and if you had seen him offering his apology, would you still have felt the need to "out" him? 

I agree with the earlier poster who said it is a small recruiting world, and you don't want to get a reputation as a pot stirrer.  I am sure that I may have hurt my son at times, and I am regretful for that, and I would just advise that we all be careful of what we post on the internet.

PGStaff posted:

I have to say this.  Roger has attended many of our events that his boys played in.  Never, not once, have I seen him do anything other than watch and sign autographs.

I did hear about an incident when his kids were very young, but we have never seen anything like that at our events.  At one tournament we had to put up fencing around the dugout because people were actually going into the dugout for autographs.  He never complained about it, just signed for them, we just thought it wasn't right.

So even if he did something, we have never seen anything like that.  In fact, what we have seen would be the complete opposite.

That said, we have seen plenty of Former Major League players make a fool out of them self. They're just like any other dad, some are good others not so good.

The Behindside of the Year former MLB player dad has to be Mitch Williams. He had his pitcher drill a hitter in the head in a preteen travel game.

bballman posted:

PA2016Backstopdad posted:

Two years ago at PG witnessed some bad behavior from one of my heroes growing up, Roger Clemens. He was taunting one of the opposing teams players in the game before my sons game. Lost a lot of respect for him.

His son's team was at Cooperstown the same week my son was.  I heard a story that there were a group of kids playing wiffleball in downtown Cooperstown.  He walked up, asked if he could play with them and proceeded to pitch to all the kids for quite a while.  I did not hear any bad stories about him during that week.

That is very cool, though I must admit that when I started reading your post I was half expecting to learn that he had thrown lots of heat, snapped off nasty curve balls, struck every kid out, and beaned a few as well.

JCG posted:

That is very cool, though I must admit that when I started reading your post I was half expecting to learn that he had thrown lots of heat, snapped off nasty curve balls, struck every kid out, and beaned a few as well.

Or throw a broken bat.

Coaches are adults who are responsible for kids.  If I act like a moron, I should own that behavior and I deserve to be called out in a public forum...especially if I play the "do you know who I am" card.  By the way, does that ever work in a confrontation?

I am happy to hear that he apologized but, IMO, he DESERVES to be called out publicly.