Bad call? call that ended a game!

Right call, assuming the ump was correct and the runner tagging crossed the plate before the throw to second was caught for the out.

I thought if it was a tag it was right call, but being a force it wasn't.

The play at second was not a force out, but rather an appeal play. (See definitions, Rule 2.00) Thus the third out was not a force out and if the run scored prior to the appeal, it counts...game over.

You should change the title of the thread to "Good Call."

The play at second was a force out since he did not tag, so no tag was needed which means force out, right?

Welcome Chris and glad to see another person from the great state of West Virginia on here.

There is an ask the ump forum on here and they do a great job in explaining what goes on with the rules. But I've actually asked about this type of play myself on here before.

This is not a force play but a timing play. A force play is similar to a timing play in that all you have to do is tag the base to get an out. The difference is on a force play the runner has to move forward and advance. A timing play is when the runner is coming back to a base.

In this case the ump got it right and the run does count to end the game.

Thanks coach2709, my kids were devistated! But it was our second loss to 5 wins so I guess they will be alright. Great game though!!

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Originally posted by Chris88:
The play at second was a force out since he did not tag, so no tag was needed which means force out, right?

No, the play at second was an appeal play.

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Originally posted by coach2709:

This is not a force play but a timing play. A force play is similar to a timing play in that all you have to do is tag the base to get an out. The difference is on a force play the runner has to move forward and advance. A timing play is when the runner is coming back to a base.

This is first and foremost an appeal play...an appeal for failing to tag-up after the fly ball was touched.

A "time play" (not "timing") is a any play in which a third out is recorded by an means other than a force with the potential for a run scoring prior to the out.

An appeal play can be, but doesn't have to be a time play. A time play can be, but doesn't have to be an appeal play.

Can you explain appeal play? I've played baseball all of my life and still do not understand. Not being a smart @@@, just do not understand.

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Originally posted by Chris88:
Can you explain appeal play? I've played baseball all of my life and still do not understand. Not being a smart @@@, just do not understand.

Let's say a runner missed a base as he rounds it, or leaves early on a fly ball. The correct manner in which an out can be called in both cases is for the defense to "appeal." This they do by verbally appealing or making an obvious gesture to let the umpire know they are appealing the running error and then taging the bag missed or left early.

It can resemble a force, but it is not a force. A force is when a runner is "forced" to vacate his base and advance due to action by the batter.

It was obvious though he was standing on third at the time of the catch.

Jimmy - thanks for the clarification. I guess this proves I need to leave the explaining to the pros LOL.

Chris we got some guys on here that know their stuff about the rules and Jimmy is one of them. I would suggest reading over the rules forum and learn there because it's real world application of the rules. Plus ask questions on here to learn more about the game.

Good luck the rest of the season.

You guys have been very helpful thanks alot!!