Bad team, bad stats

HS stats don't matter. A good summer will help him.

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Originally posted by redbird5:
HS stats don't matter. A good summer will help him.

Correct!

I do know how frustrating this can be, but your son is a good example of where good summer baseball program (and perhaps a little showcasing) might make all the difference in the world. Attending the WWBA events should help him immensely.

A somewhat related story about our older son. As a junior, a big Pac10 pitching coach came to watch him on 'senior day.' This is the day where all of the seniors started...some not very good at all...except him (junior). If he didn't strike 'em out, they were pretty much for sure gonna get on base. Dropped fly balls, bad throws...all of it. He lost the game something like 10-2...not sure how many runs were "earned." We figured it was 'over' with that particular school.

That night he got an email from the coach telling him how impressed he was with our son's demeanor in a very bad situation and he was exactly the kind of player they wanted. They ended up offering him the biggest scholarship offer he received (100%...yes, a legitimate 100%...everything). And so the 'circus(?)' around him did not detract from what the coach saw.

Encourage your son to stay completely positive and be a leader in a tough situation. It too...may pay off?

Pluto,

I can feel your pain. Son, a senior, was looking forward to this year with great anticipation. Signed with major D1, Rawlings Pre-season All-American, etc. etc...but, at the end of the regular season, he is 3-4...however with a 1.97 era, 68 k's in about 40 innings pitched. We unfortunately, graduated 13 (yes 13!) seniors last year and knew...well, didn't know what we would have...scouts have commented on how well he has handled tough situations throughout the season...he was topping out at 95 with several national crosscheckers at his last game...which we happen to win and put us into the playoffs...just got to keep doing what you do...the numbers aren't everything...how you handle yourself in those situations IS...good luck this summer and hope all works out for you.

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Originally posted by Pluto:
In reality the ERA should be reduced by 2/3 rds due to errors.

Not sure you get how ERA really works.

My son has a friend who pitches at Harvard who never won a HS game. Not even 1! Nobody cared on the recruiting circuit.

Never blame a poor ERA on the team defense (who also happen to be your son's teammates). I understand what your point is, and it's ok to let it out here, just don't do it in front of your son or others.

If they were not charged with errors, every run counts against your pitcher.

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Originally posted by scdigger:
Pluto,

I can feel your pain. Son, a senior, was looking forward to this year with great anticipation. Signed with major D1, Rawlings Pre-season All-American, etc. etc...but, at the end of the regular season, he is 3-4...however with a 1.97 era, 68 k's in about 40 innings pitched. We unfortunately, graduated 13 (yes 13!) seniors last year and knew...well, didn't know what we would have...scouts have commented on how well he has handled tough situations throughout the season...he was topping out at 95 with several national crosscheckers at his last game...which we happen to win and put us into the playoffs...just got to keep doing what you do...the numbers aren't everything...how you handle yourself in those situations IS...good luck this summer and hope all works out for you.

Hmm, yeah, wow, we feel your pain.....

Look up the story of Cory Hahn....that's pain.

Or the senior pitcher in So Cal in 2010 who was signed to a top 10 D1 program, only to be diagnosed with osteosarcoma. That's pain.

You have no pain.

Pluto, I'm more of a question asker than contributer but for what it's worth you're anxiety and stress as a parent are understandable, but I'm sure that college coaches and scouts know that in most cases high schoolers' can't pick their school or coach so like another poster said "good summer/fall ball" and "showcases." Don't overlook the showcases at the individual colleges which are usually less expensive and can only be found by going to each college's baseball website.

Pluto,

A good travel team, American Legion team, or showcase event can give him the exposure he needs. I suggest focusing on those activities and not on the high school stats.

Attitude is everything. How your son handles the high school situation will say more about him than the 4-14 record. The college coaches that recruited my son were looking more at his grades, and classes than his hs team's record. There are many on this site who's son played for a less than stellar high school team. It happens.

Best of luck.

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Originally posted by like2rake:
Hmm, yeah, wow, we feel your pain.....

Yeah, dude's got it rough. His son is signed to a MAJOR D-1, preseason all american, throws mid 90's, several national crosscheckers at his games. I dont even know what the etc., etc is that his son has earned.

If we could all feel this much pain.

Ironhorse- I do know how ERA is computed.

Our team has made roughly 100 errors in our twenty games. Many times there are several on one play. We routinely give five six or seven outs an inning.

90% of the runs that have been posted to to all of the pitchers for the year have been scored as earned...the teams "official scorer" is a very nice freshman girl.

I'm throwing a penalty flag on the hits on scdigger.

Mentioning his son's accomplishments was valid context. Sure he's proud of what his son is doing and excited about the possibilities. Who wouldn't be? Get over it. He has a current and valid take on the subject of this thread, which is good pitchers with bad stats on bad teams, and how to deal with it.

One of the values of this board is connecting with people who identify with similar situations. Just because the problems of the elite prospects aren't mine doesn't mean they aren't real.

Furthermore, it is uncalled for to belittle his concerns by saying they don't compare to the troubles of players whose lives were turned upside-down by serious diseases or permanently disabling injuries. It's true, but it's also self-evident and irrelevant to this thread.

Try to contain the jealousy, guys.

Best wishes to your sons, scdigger and Pluto.

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I am with Swampboy on this one.

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Originally posted by justbaseball:
I am with Swampboy on this one.

+1 Swampboy

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Originally posted by Swampboy:
I'm throwing a penalty flag on the hits on scdigger.

Mentioning his son's accomplishments was valid context. Sure he's proud of what his son is doing and excited about the possibilities. Who wouldn't be? Get over it. He has a current and valid take on the subject of this thread, which is good pitchers with bad stats on bad teams, and how to deal with it.

One of the values of this board is connecting with people who identify with similar situations. Just because the problems of the elite prospects aren't mine doesn't mean they aren't real.

Furthermore, it is uncalled for to belittle his concerns by saying they don't compare to the troubles of players whose lives were turned upside-down by serious diseases or permanently disabling injuries. It's true, but it's also self-evident and irrelevant to this thread.

Try to contain the jealousy, guys.

Best wishes to your sons, scdigger and Pluto.

I guess since I was one who thought scdigger's response was "out of line" I will respond.

I didnt find his son's accomplishments valid here. There are times to talk up your son or mention his accomplishments, but I didnt think this was the place. People do it all the time on the general topics forum and everyone congratulates them. When a dad is states he is concerned about his son's performance, that is not the time to talk about how good your son is and what he has going for him. If scdigger would have said "maybe your son has horrible stats for a reason" I would have thought nothing of it.

Similar situations? What is similar? One is a junior, the other is a senior. One is uncommitted, the other is signed at a MAJOR D-1 school. One has a record of 1-5, the other has a record of 3-4. One has an ERA of about 10.00, the other has an ERA of 1.94(?). One is on a team with a 4-14 record, the other is on a team that just qualified for the playoffs. I dont see too many similarities here. I guess they are both pitchers.

I will agree with you that it is wrong to belittle concerns by comparing them to diseases, etc. But that wasnt me who did that. But also, when somebody comes to you with a problem, is it normal to basically say "You think you have problems, listen to my problems."

Jealous? Yeah, I admit I wish my son threw 95 and that he would sign with a major d-1. I bet I'm not the only one here with that wish. But he is my boy and I love him and his low 80's fastball just the same.

If I'm wrong, I apologize. scdiggers response just hit me the wrong way.

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Posted April 25, 2012 12:43 PM

Guess I should not have said anything at all.

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Originally posted by Pluto:
Ironhorse- I do know how ERA is computed.

Our team has made roughly 100 errors in our twenty games. Many times there are several on one play. We routinely give five six or seven outs an inning.

90% of the runs that have been posted to to all of the pitchers for the year have been scored as earned...the teams "official scorer" is a very nice freshman girl.

Accuracy of high school stats is a subject within itself. Don't worry about it. Your son isn't going to college ball on stats. He'll go on velocity, ability to change speed, movement and composure.

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Originally posted by justbaseball:
I am with Swampboy on this one.

Ditto!

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Originally posted by scdigger:

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Posted April 25, 2012 12:43 PM

Guess I should not have said anything at all.

SCDIGGER- Keep posting away and don't feel that way. You felt that you had something to contribute and you did it. I enjoyed reading your post. Just keep in mind you open yourself up to the masses that make up this web site. They are mostly well intended. I don't always like or agree with what people have to say about my posts but it provides perspectives that you may or may not have thought of. You just have to have thick skin and they serve as a reality check sometimes...Good luck to you and your son and I hope those crosscheckers like what they see!!!

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Originally posted by TPM:
Never blame a poor ERA on the team defense (who also happen to be your son's teammates). I understand what your point is, and it's ok to let it out here, just don't do it in front of your son or others.

If they were not charged with errors, every run counts against your pitcher.

TPM is right, ERA is illrelevant when computing batting average x OB%.

Nobody is going to care about his HS stats this summer on his travel team. What he does this summer will have a large determination of the interest in him. If you have him on a strong summer team, you have done everything you can do for him. The rest is up to him.

Relax and everything will take care of itself.