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Batty67Batty675,000+ posts

My 2017 catcher had a brainfart on a bounced ball 4 that went to backstop 40' from home plate. The mental lapse (he's not perfect of course) was not realizing it was ball 4 so he did not hustle to get to ball for 2-3 seconds (with parents yelling ball is live) and combined with huge space to backstop allowed R1 to round 1B and go to 2B. My son then throws a 1-hop laser to 2B from 160' to throw the kid out. How is this scored? I presume walk and then simple thrown-out steal? I'm hoping the coaches remember the throw and not the necessity of the throw!

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roothog66roothog6610,000+ posts
Originally Posted by Batty67:

My 2017 catcher had a brainfart on a bounced ball 4 that went to backstop 40' from home plate. The mental lapse (he's not perfect of course) was not realizing it was ball 4 so he did not hustle to get to ball for 2-3 seconds (with parents yelling ball is live) and combined with huge space to backstop allowed R1 to round 1B and go to 2B. My son then throws a 1-hop laser to 2B from 160' to throw the kid out. How is this scored? I presume walk and then simple thrown-out steal? I'm hoping the coaches remember the throw and not the necessity of the throw!


I don't believe he gets a cs on this. The batter is out on the advancement.

G Golfman2510,000+ posts
Originally Posted by Batty67:

My 2017 catcher had a brainfart on a bounced ball 4 that went to backstop 40' from home plate. The mental lapse (he's not perfect of course) was not realizing it was ball 4 so he did not hustle to get to ball for 2-3 seconds (with parents yelling ball is live) and combined with huge space to backstop allowed R1 to round 1B and go to 2B. My son then throws a 1-hop laser to 2B from 160' to throw the kid out. How is this scored? I presume walk and then simple thrown-out steal? I'm hoping the coaches remember the throw and not the necessity of the throw!

He meant to do that.

lionbaseballlionbaseball5,000+ posts
Originally Posted by Batty67:

My 2017 catcher had a brainfart on a bounced ball 4 that went to backstop 40' from home plate. The mental lapse (he's not perfect of course) was not realizing it was ball 4 so he did not hustle to get to ball for 2-3 seconds (with parents yelling ball is live) and combined with huge space to backstop allowed R1 to round 1B and go to 2B. My son then throws a 1-hop laser to 2B from 160' to throw the kid out. How is this scored? I presume walk and then simple thrown-out steal? I'm hoping the coaches remember the throw and not the necessity of the throw!

Are there not standards when building ball fields.  60 ft mound to home plate, 90 ft bases, etc.?  I would think there would be a standard home plate to backstop.  

Ripken FanRipken Fan10,000+ posts
Originally Posted by roothog66:
Originally Posted by Batty67:

My 2017 catcher had a brainfart on a bounced ball 4 that went to backstop 40' from home plate. The mental lapse (he's not perfect of course) was not realizing it was ball 4 so he did not hustle to get to ball for 2-3 seconds (with parents yelling ball is live) and combined with huge space to backstop allowed R1 to round 1B and go to 2B. My son then throws a 1-hop laser to 2B from 160' to throw the kid out. How is this scored? I presume walk and then simple thrown-out steal? I'm hoping the coaches remember the throw and not the necessity of the throw!


I don't believe he gets a cs on this. The batter is out on the advancement.

Sounds like play was continuous; time wasn't called.  I agree with Root 2-4 on putout.

F FoxDad10,000+ posts
Originally Posted by lionbaseball:

Are there not standards when building ball fields.  60 ft mound to home plate, 90 ft bases, etc.?  I would think there would be a standard home plate to backstop.  

I don't see the big deal.    Most of the fields my son has played at throughout HS, JuCo, and D2 have had 40'-50' from home plate to the backstop.  Believe it or not there were some fields he played on in travel ball where it was less than 10' from home plate to the backstop - definitely took away stealing home on a passed ball unless the ball took the right bounce.

smokeminsidesmokeminsideMember since 2014
Originally Posted by FoxDad:
Originally Posted by lionbaseball:

Are there not standards when building ball fields.  60 ft mound to home plate, 90 ft bases, etc.?  I would think there would be a standard home plate to backstop.  

I don't see the big deal.    Most of the fields my son has played at throughout HS, JuCo, and D2 have had 40'-50' from home plate to the backstop.  Believe it or not there were some fields he played on in travel ball where it was less than 10' from home plate to the backstop - definitely took away stealing home on a passed ball unless the ball took the right bounce.

I agree with fox dad.  One of the beauties of baseball is the quirkiness of field dimensions.  The diamond itself is precise.  60 feet six inches from the rubber to home!

 

Why those six inches, btw?!  That's just awesome to me.  

 

Bunch of Civil war era guys drinking bad beer through their handlebar moustaches on a hot Sunday afternoon inventing a game:

 

"Hey, Mr. Cartwright, let's go sixty feet...that should be about right.... we got 90 feet between bases, so 2/3 of that from home to the rubber should work, so 60 feet, yeah?"

 

"Not so fast, Mr. Doubleday! It can' be perfect! The GAME is perfect. But let's add another 6 inches between the pitcher and the plate, just to mess with everybody's heads a little. 60 feet, PLUS 6 inches!"

 

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The definition of a stolen base is a runner advancing one base unaided by a hit, a putout, an error, a force-out, a fielder's choice, a passed ball, a wild pitch, or a balk.

 

If the batter runner had been safe at second, it would not have been a stolen base since it was aided by the WP. So it's not a CS when he gets thrown out.  

N noumpere1,000+ posts
Originally Posted by lionbaseball:

Are there not standards when building ball fields.  60 ft mound to home plate, 90 ft bases, etc.?  I would think there would be a standard home plate to backstop.  

 

Yes, there is a standard.  60' in FED and OBR.  Esp in HS it's often not followed because of space considerations.

 

Originally Posted by smokeminside:
 

Why those six inches, btw?!  That's just awesome to me.  

A mis-reading of the original specs, is the usual story.  The hand-written 60'  was mis-read as a 60 with a super-script 6

Batty67Batty675,000+ posts

Thanks for the great responses. As for the backstop distance, in my experience, it varies wildly at the HS level--at least in Northern VA! I've seen it as short as 15-20', and up to 60'. I believe it is 30' or so at my son's HS. To me, 60' (regulation) seems excessive, at least at the HS level. Mostly because it puts spectators that much farther from the action.

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