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I am full of situations after this wekeend to ask about. . Situation runner on 1st, no outs.

Batter bunts, fielder throws ball into RF trying to complete sacrifice. No one near ball and big foul territory, so runners are off to races. @B finally gets to ball by fence (there was some kind of mesh fencing covering a chainlink fences). both runners actually score. While 1B fumbling to pick up ball, trying to pick it up, it goes in a seam in mesh fence. 1B reaches in to get it, attempts to throw out batter/runner at home. Home plate umpiore rules it went in mesh, dead ball. so runner on 1B was sent to 3rd, batter to 2B, because a dead ball on a throw. My question is, should runners have been 1 base from time of getting in the mesh, (since 1B fumbled it into mesh), versus ruling of 1 plus 1 on a batted ball / throw (that is how umpire described it) 

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Take the mesh out of it... what if the fielder picked up the ball and on the throw tossed it into dugout.   The batter and runner is awarded 2 bases from the base he last legally occupied at time of throw.  From the OP, it would appear that the batter/runner legally obtained 2nd when the fielder "fumbled" the ball into the mesh, the man in 1st would be at third.  I have 2 runs scoring.  If the runner and batter/runner were both between first and second, then the runner gets third and the batter/runner second.  It all depends where the runners were at the time of the throw that caused the ball to be out of play... in this case the fumble.  It is not when the ball actually crosses the out of play line or gets stuck in the fence.

Originally Posted by NewUmpire:

The umpire's call would appear correct if in his/her opinion it was the throw to first that caused the ball to lodge in the mesh and not the fumble by the fielder.

That is a very good point, I was out in the area where this happened so I had a very good view, but if umpire thought it went in mesh from throw to first (he was a long way off I can see how that would be hard), then it makes perfect sense. thanks for all input, I guess it really matters where the umpire viewed when the ball went into the mesh and he made that desicion based off that. Thanks for input

Originally Posted by chefmike7777:

Micahel, that makes sense. 2 bases, just everyone calls it 1 +1. In a sense same thing but your point is way more specific and i appreciate it. thanks

Not really at all the same thing.  Best example is runner being picked off by catcher (or in an appeal attempt after a caught fly) -- if its 1+1 then he gets first (the base he was going to) plus 1 = second.  In truth, he gets third.

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