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I am not sure where Bear is going with that comment, but I can say from personal experience that the source of the coaches paycheck does not equal the quality of the knowledge that a coach possesses.

Some of the best instruction that I've gotten from clinics came from Bernie Walter (HS), Pat McMahon (college), Itchy Jones (college), Ron Polk (college), Danny Hall (college), etc.

Some of the worst instruction I've seen has come from people from the pro ranks. I'll not go into naming them.

Once again, just because someone used to be a good player, that does not necessarily guarantee that he will be a good coach - or teacher of the game.
Reads like you want to spar.
Thus not sure why.

Listen Kid

OBTW: McMahon is a pro guy, and has an outstanding pro pitching guy with my friend Pat Daneker. (And Pat's Dad is/was an excellent HS Coach)

My friend Bernie has been and will remain about Bernie. An excellent HS Coach for the younger of teenagers and has retired after 45+ years, yet has NOT been a Head College Coach. Applied a couple of times (~10 yrs ago & ~ 20 yrs ago, yet not selected)

But then, pro pitching guys like Roger Craig, Tom Seaver, Sandy Koufax, Mike Marshall, Oscar Acosta, Leo Mazzone, Doug Linton, Bryan Price, John Curtis, John Dopson, Bill Krueger, Sean McCann, "Spanky" McFarland, Ben Bachmann, Tom Walter, Lee Smith, Lyle Yates may have forgot more about teaching the game than many college and HS coaches!

Why? 100 or more games a year are played at the pro level than College (56+) and HS (20+) and with players with more skills and talent.

This has got absolutely nothing to do with pay checks.
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I just wanted to say that is my belief that coaches can take lessons learned from all levels of coaches. Does not mean the pro guy is better than the college or high school guy. I believe it might be based on the level of kid you are trying to help. I do not have a preference on whether its a pro or amatuer coach, at the end of the day if you learned something that helps a player that is all that matters. As long as a coach is trying to learn and better himself for his players thats the greatest thing that can happen. Many coaches however do not go to the clinics, because they know it all already. I typically attend ABCA, but try to hit the Cherry Hill and Virginia ones as well. I think all 3 clinics are great and if one can attend all 3 thats great go to all 3 as its different points of view and strategies.
Always confused by people who mix playing, coaching, instruction in same thought. The portions of the brain used in playing do not necessarily communicate well with the portions that can EXPLAIN playing to others. Likewise, the instincts that make a good coach may tap into different mental resources than what is best for someone who is a good teacher. Not trying to start or sustain a debate here or a sparring match - just pointing out that evaluation on the basis of games played or coached is not really relevant. Ability to impart knowledge and get that knowledge to stick is the only way ANY instructor should be judged. A pro bg is neither a certainty of failure or success. Judge teaching on its own set of criteria.
Dear Dick,

And for a brief shining moment a chant was expected next or somewhere....

Nam Myōhō Renge Kyō

With some certainty, each phrase is next to impossible to render into English. Some admit to the complexity of the symbolism and connotation, yet without semiotic significance, a full meaning is misinterpreted.

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Originally posted by Richard Todd:
Always confused by people who mix playing, coaching, instruction in same thought. The portions of the brain used in playing do not necessarily communicate well with the portions that can EXPLAIN playing to others. Likewise, the instincts that make a good coach may tap into different mental resources than what is best for someone who is a good teacher. Not trying to start or sustain a debate here or a sparring match - just pointing out that evaluation on the basis of games played or coached is not really relevant. Ability to impart knowledge and get that knowledge to stick is the only way ANY instructor should be judged. A pro bg is neither a certainty of failure or success. Judge teaching on its own set of criteria.


Excellent post. Thank you.

-The "Kid"

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