Baseball Bushy Beard Bandwagon

Not a fan of it.  Don't know why really, just not a fan of it.  Maybe Brian Wilson ruined it for me?

Nothing wrong with bushy beards. My son, and his fellow football playing baseball players are getting mohawks, along with scragely beards, in preparation of summer football team camp.

I don't care I guess...though they do look a bit like the guys on Duck Dynasty....lol.   That being said, I'm fairly certain my son won't be able to grow a beard til he's 40....so I won't have to worry about it

As a fan- couldn't care less. I think big bushy beards look ugly on most people, but I don't really care what other people decide to look like.

 

As a coach (hypothetically)- As long as my players show up and work hard everyday, what they look like is completely irrelevant to me.

 

As a scout- There's a level of projection that comes with amateur scouting and seeing a young player with a fully grown, bushy beard shows some indication of physical maturity. I'd never tell a kid to shave or not shave (this discussion has been had on this website before), but I guess the scouting perspective is just some food for thought.

 

Hopefully, as a new scout, you will ignore this nonsense.

 

I have heard other scouts say that a beard is a negative since it means the kid won't grow any more.

 

Projection has very little to do with a kid growing taller. Are you suggesting that a kid with a fully developed, bushy beard is never an indication that he is ahead of his peers in physically maturing?

 

The only thing I know for sure is that he hasn't shaved in a while.  His peers may be shaving more frequently.

my thoughts... nothing serious...

 

-I like when teams decide to do something for bonding/unity, etc., but not everyone can grow a full beard.  I suppose it can be fun to watch the guys try that can't.

 

-I'd sure like to see something a bit more unique - this one's getting beat to death.  Seems like every other college team is trying to do it and several MLB teams/players as well.  I know there seems to be only so much you can do... mohawks, beards, buzz cuts, 'staches, white shoes, pants up, team motto, etc.  But let's see some creativity.  At least when the Bosox did it, it was a fairly new for a modern era team to do.

 

-they're ugly.  So are most of the camo uni's.

 

-I am glad it takes attention away from Wilson.  Not a big fan of his so glad to see a bit less of his face/beard all the time.  Of course his recent performance has a lot to do with that.

I think it looks stupid but I'm also clean shaved bald head due to parts of my head refusing to grow hair.  I can grow a mean neck beard and a half-fro instead of an afro but regardless I think the whole beard thing looks stupid.  But if my guys show up to play and bust their butt they can have as much facial hair as they want (while I secretly envy them).  

 

Obviously that's not my true pic in my profile to the left HAHAHAHA

"Obviously that's not my true pic in my profile to the left HAHAHAHA"

 

Coach - say it ain't so!  I always hum tunes from the BeeGees when I read your posts.

Man, that's hard to take.

My world is shattered

You think you guys are disappointed that's not the real me - you should have seen the look of disappointment from the last girl I went out with from eHarmony when I use that same pic on there.  Let's just say it made for an awkward night.

I'm not a fan of the slob look which seems to be the overall style right now. Outside of athletes looking like slobs I'm not a fan of tee shirts being dress attire. I was surprised Saturday when we were out in the city to see so many young women in nice summer dresses and sandals and the guys were in jeans, tees and sneakers. These young women will eventually realize they are dating boys and leave them for young men. I also don't find an untucked shirt under a blazer to be stylish. 

 

I once turned around a first date of my daughter in high school. I told him to go back outside. I told him I was going to give him a second chance to make a first impression. Take off the backward baseball hat,  pull up your pants and it's "sir" not "hey." I never saw the kid again. Fortunately it didn't take long for my daughter to recognize the guy was a tactless moron.

Or it didn't take long for the guy to realize your actions were incredibly overbearing, obnoxious, nitpicky, and intrusive and didn't want to date your daughter.

       
       


Not to mention judgmental, discriminatory, stereotypical, and sexist. Ironic, considering that your gloating anecdote has literally nothing to do with the thread here. Oh well.

Yeah, I didn't hit on any of the sexism there, but needless to say, the sexism is far worse than wearing a t shirt and jeans or having facial hair.

OldSkool = JH?  Just wondering.

 

I'm about the same way as RJM with fellas that wanna date my daughter.  Actually, she is too.  Call me and her whatever you want...my daughter and I win in the end. 

 How is a Father's perspectives and actions in expressing opinions on someone who tried to date his daughter "discriminatory?"  Geez, are we going to file a Title VII lawsuit on this?

To be honest, this is now seeming to be posters criticizing a parent they view as  being "judgmental"  by being even more judgmental, harsh and critical.

To place RJM's post in some perspective, if the kid with the baseball hat on backwards showed up at a HS baseball practice with our son's former coach, the response would have been similar to RJM. The kid would be shown the door to the fence to leave the field.  Wearing hats backwards was not permitted.  More sexist, discriminatory, stereotypical, obnoxious, overbearing, nitpicky, intrusive coaching.

Aren't parents allowed to have and express preferences, even if they don't agree with other views, without  personal attacks?

 

Wilson did what he did because he was unique and wanted to get that attention as a bad a$$ and it worked.

Its the copy cats that annoy me.  Now everyone who wants to look different actually looks the same.

The two organizations son played for required him to look neat at all times.  I don't remember beards in college. 

I am in agreement with RJM about appearances. Thank goodness both my adult children make sure that they look presentably when they leave the house. 

 

I guess there can only be one person who disagrees with the bogusity that goes on in this board? Clearly it must mean we are the same person when we both call people on their sexism or obnoxiousness. I mean, you guys are always right and there can't possibly be more than one person who doesn't think the way you do.

"I don't like how he looks, and I am allowed to dictate my daughter's preferences, therefore I will disallow two people to interact because of that person's appearance." I will never agree with this point of view.

I am not OldSkool2.

I may or may not address this thread later. I also may or may not pardon myself from HSBBWeb for a period of time. The fact that these actions are not only condoned by people, but heralded, is something that I am skeptical to be a part of.

Whose hurling insults here?  Hint - look in the mirror.

I did look in the mirror, and I like what I see because my actions aren't sexist.

Johnny Manziel condoned behavior is in fact as sexist as it gets pal.  Go look again.

What did I miss?  How was RJM being sexist?

 

I didnt agree with his style segment of his post, but agree with the dating his daughter part.  My oldest daughter is getting ready to hit dating age, probably already did, and I have already instructed her as to how those young men will act when they come to my door.

JH, I have a daughter who would never let me dictate her preferences and that is one of the greatest achievements I could want as a parent.  On the other hand, my preference is that she would not be an "object" on the arm of Johnny Manzell, either.

Right now our daughter is involved with supporting teen women for the experiences ahead, including how it is "cool" for college guys to objectify them as objects, including for sex.

I am not concerned with the media creation of Johnny because he loves it and creates it.

What is of the greatest concern to me is the role of the media in objectifying young women as objects, especially objects for the attraction of men, and where that is leading including rape, eating disorders and many more societal ills, which are getting worse, not better.

       
       


Wholeheartedly agree.

I do not believe that JH is OldSkool2.

 

I think that sometimes the quotes get a bit confusing, as to who said what, so I try real hard to go reread before I post and never reply  if using the phone as there I cannot tell who said what, the interface is really poor.

 

However, I have noticed (pretty sure not the only one) that whenever Oldskool shows up a problem arises.  Perhaps if he/she (not being sexist) doesn't like our responses he/she can go elsewhere?

 

There is definetly a way to respond and definetly a way not to respond and his/her response to RJM is unacceptable.

Glad you feel that way JH.  There is in fact a connection here.  I think thats what some of us have been trying to say.

Our daughter did a series of presentations at a middle/high school last month.

She did not know the audience in advance. As she approached the room, the hallway was lined with more than 100 strollers.

Turns out the presentation was to single mothers attending both the middle school and HS, while also trying to raise a baby. Youngest mother...reportedly  age 12.  Lots more to worry about with what our media is creating than Johnny.

Objectification of women is disgusting. So is discrimination. I feel both actions exist when a father claims his daughter cannot date someone because of the other person's appearance. Exerting control over a woman's feelings and emotions because of a personal preference is objectifying a female. Deciding a person's character based on the way he dresses is discrimination. I take serious exception to both objectification of women and discrimination.

I am not sure I understand what is being said here. 

 

RJM stated how he felt when his daughter was in HS.

 

When my daughter was in HS, her dad and I both DID dictate who she went out with and who she  didn't.  And we did object to appearances as well as other issues.  Once she left the house and was over 18,  then we really had no control over what she did.

I don't think that things have changed that much.  My daughter is 37 dating a 45 year old man who Is the CEO of a huge corporation with 3500 employees Although he is presentable and very rich, the truth is, that my husband and I are not real crazy about him, for me I think he is a jerk sometimes, and to my husband, I suppose that no one will ever be good enough for her.

 

Its  a parent thing I think. So I get what he is saying.

 

JH - I agree with some of what you write.  But I disagree with some as well.

 

I'm not going to get into specifics of how I raise my kids...but you have not had the experience of raising kids yet and until you do, your view on how a father or mother mentors his/her sons and daughters about dating, for example, just isn't based in much practicality for now.

 

It doesn't mean we will agree in 20 years.  But as of now, you just haven't dealt with the 'real world' of parenting.

That's really bizarre.

JH,

we're talking about a parent-child relationship.  From the time my kids were in Gymboree class, my wife and I monitored and controlled who our kids interacted with.  Most good parents do.  Some kids bit or bullied, as they got older they used inappropriate language or were mean.  Some kids didn't behave in class or do well in school.  Even in high school, if our kids hang out with someone we think is bad news they will hear about it and it will stop.  You may call this judgmental and controlling (which it is), but I call it parenting.  I don't see how this can be extrapolated into sexism, objectification, or discriminatory.  With all due respect (and I do have a lot of respect for what you have contributed here), I think you are blowing this way out of proportion and turning this into something it wasn't.

I don't think I can agree with the conclusions that one set of actions is discrimination and another set of actions is objectifying. Being able to separate, quantify or place into categories is just so challenging.

Being the parent of a strong willed teenage daughter was both a blessing and a role which involved extreme challenges. To an extent, trying to "guide" her through a maize of issues eventually ended up with our saying "no" to certain of the behaviors.  That most certainly led to emotions and feelings, which needed to be appreciated and addressed. Controlling? I guess some might think so. 

Did she end up awfully powerful and determined to share her experience so others understood the impact of some choices she would have preferred not to make? Yup. Her voice is awfully loud and awfully determined to become more powerful.

It has taken her years to understand how she was impacted as highly talented female athlete  when her coach talked about her being an Olympian...if she would lose 7-10 lbs. It took her parents even longer to appreciate the end result and the impact on her life to be able to realize some words when she was age 16 changed her in so many ways, including manifesting an eating disorder. To this day, we wonder what or how we could have done things differently during that time to have protected her.  Those will be questions I will always have.

Protecting her vs controlling her? I don't know. Never will. I wish I better understood one against the other when she was age 15-16 and how they might have impacted some outcomes. Raising a daughter in today's world is so remarkably challenging. One major reason is the media but there certainly are others.

I am not going to put RJM into any category for doing what he felt was best for his daughter.  Whether protecting or controlling, I wish I had made better decisions when our daughter ended up within the turmoils of her aspiration for the Olympics, while   the words losing 7-10 lbs were constantly upper most in her thinking.

Infielddad, I have enjoyed your last few posts. And nearly 100% agree or learned something. Thanks!

To me it is not so much the young man's appearance, but showing the girl and her father respect. I do not have nay daughters, but hope I taught my son's well enough that when showing up to someone door, you do not great your dates father with "hey", you use sir. Also dress in a way that shows respect. How does the young man expect the young lady to look. How much effort is she putting into her appearance for the young man. I hope the young man would make the same effort. 

Also RJM did not say the young man could not go out with his daughter. He was giving the young man another opportunity to make a first impression. He could have turned his cap around or removed it and appropriately greeted his dates father. The young man chose to leave the premises. Did he call RJM's daughter? Did he text her to let her know that the date was not going to happen, or did he just disappear. How badly did he want to go out with her then? How much respect did he have for her.