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Just don't buy an nice body and then go cheap on the lens. A nice fixed-aperture lens with low-dispersion glass makes a huge difference in the end result.


I have been debating the D20 and the 70D. In your opinion would I be better off going with the less expensive 70D body and put more into a lens or going with the 20D body and get their 70-300 NON fixed f Zoom?

At this point in time I am not sure I can afford $1000 for a 2.8 70-300 zoom.

Because of the 1.5 factor for a digital camera do I need the 300 zoom or would 200 work as well?


I really appreciate you taking the time to share your expertise
This is just what I've found ...

A quality 70-200 f2.8 seems like the magic jump off point after which size, weight, and $$$ go through the roof into professional territory and really require monopod mounted shooting. Part of this effect is who the camera companies are marketing to, and the other part simple physical characteristics ... once you go past 200mm and f2.8, the physical size of the glass elements just gets huge, and that costs money. The Nikon 70-200 F2.8 with vibration reduction is $1,500. An astounding lens with rave reviews, but expensive. The Sigma 70-200 F2.8 (no VR) is $800 (which is what I use). I got my Sigma on eBay for $600 basically new.

An example of the 200mm/f2.8 jump off point: The only 300mm reach zoom at F2.8 that I could find was the Sigma at $2,000 and its 4.5" diameter, 10.5" long, and weights 5.7 lbs. You'd better be in good shape if you're going hand-held.

There are 100-300mm zooms that are fixed F4.0 for slightly more than the 70-200 ... but my approach was to go with the 70-200 at F2.8, then add a matching Sigma HX extender when I need the extra reach, which put me at 400mm and a fixed f5.6 (a 1.5x extender would put you at 300mm and F4.0). This way I got the best of both worlds ... a big aperature at a manageable size and budget for infield or indoors, and extra reach when I needed it at the same aperature as the longer fixed lens. My big fat 70-200 is actually faster and better indoors in low light than my little 28-105, which I just use for casual stuff. If you use an extender, make sure it's a high quality one that matches the lens. Any extender will affect quality somewhat, but cheap extenders ruin what you're trying to accomplish with a good lens. The 2x extender I use primarily for s o c c e r (daughter) where the shot I want can move from 50" to 250" away very quickly.

The sunset I posted previously was shot with my 70-200 ... hand held, holding my breath, in between heartbeats Smile. I was at our dinner table at a restaurant in Maui and the wife made me leave behind the tripod ... you know, family dinner and all. But I did sneak in the camera Smile. Being able to shoot at f2.8 made that shot possible. The compressed depth of field at 200mm (effective 300mm on the D70) also made for a nice shot. The distant clouds seem like they're almost on top of the sailboat.

Is the Vibration Reduction of the Nikon lens necessary? That's a beautiful lens I'd love to trade up to someday, and the VR would allow me to shoot in lower light, slower shutter speeds, e.g. night games, without having to crank up the ISO ... in the mean time I either use a mono-pod or just very good shooting posture. We have very few night games, so it hasn't been an issue.

I can't really say which body to buy, D70 vs 20D ... they will both take beautiful pictures. I'd tend to pick the lens I really wanted for the type of sport I was going to be shooting, then figure out what I could afford to spend on the body. Both these bodies can do up to 1/8000th which can give you some spectacular freeze action, but you just can't get to those speeds with a low ISO if you can't let enough light in through the lens.
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For those still following this thread, I have been shooting baseball, softball, football, basketball and volleyball for several years. I use the 70-200mm, f2.8 VRII lens 98% of the time. $2600 is a sizable investment.. However, I can't swing the cost of anything bigger as mentioned by PBONESTEELE. Once you understand exposure and can anticipate where the action will be, this lens can really perform. In terms of camera body, I have a relatively inexpensive D7000 and it serves me well. I plan to purchase a teleconverter x1.4 for the 60/90 fields and use it primarily for day games. 

Now, I have a question about video. Since I'm usually on the field photographing, I'd like to video. My son has a GoPro 3 White. I'm thinking of getting the remote so I can turn on/off from field. Can you all reply if you prefer the GoPro mounted high above, behind plate OR have the wife use the iphone7 to video at bats? Since the latter option involves my wife operating an electronic device, perhaps I have answered my own question.��

PROBEAGLE posted:

For those still following this thread, I have been shooting baseball, softball, football, basketball and volleyball for several years. I use the 70-200mm, f2.8 VRII lens 98% of the time. $2600 is a sizable investment.. However, I can't swing the cost of anything bigger as mentioned by PBONESTEELE. Once you understand exposure and can anticipate where the action will be, this lens can really perform. In terms of camera body, I have a relatively inexpensive D7000 and it serves me well. I plan to purchase a teleconverter x1.4 for the 60/90 fields and use it primarily for day games. 

Now, I have a question about video. Since I'm usually on the field photographing, I'd like to video. My son has a GoPro 3 White. I'm thinking of getting the remote so I can turn on/off from field. Can you all reply if you prefer the GoPro mounted high above, behind plate OR have the wife use the iphone7 to video at bats? Since the latter option involves my wife operating an electronic device, perhaps I have answered my own question.��

I use a lynkspyder to mount my gopro on the fence behind the plate as high as I can reach to make sure to not obstruct anyones view. I have the 3+ and I can use the app on my phone to start and stop recording. The mount is around $50 but well worth it. It stays on the fence even after many foul balls. Check out lynkspyder.com, I also bought a tool pouch from Lowes that I hook on the bottom of the mount to hold an external battery to make sure I get the whole game recorded without having to change batteries.

What are you looking to get from the video, specifically?  Is it for recruiting video, or time lapse type shots?

Very important to understand because if it is for the former, GoPro is a horrible solution.  Very wide angle, so unless you can get very close, the slow motion FPS are of relatively little value if videoing game action.

If you're looking to capture AB's. or side/front shots of live pitching sequence, you're much better off to invest in a digital zoom Canon or Sony, or upgrade your DSLR to one what shoots video, and you can take advantage or your existing lens arsenal.

Personally, I use a Sony HDR-CX380 to shoot video (and I've done several recruiting videos for my sons teammates), and I have a Canon 7D mkII and 1DX mkII with 2.8 70-200 L IS and 2.8 300 L IS, for shooting still sports (yes, a small fortune, but I got all this instead of a boat).

dad2twins posted:
PROBEAGLE posted:

For those still following this thread, I have been shooting baseball, softball, football, basketball and volleyball for several years. I use the 70-200mm, f2.8 VRII lens 98% of the time. $2600 is a sizable investment.. However, I can't swing the cost of anything bigger as mentioned by PBONESTEELE. Once you understand exposure and can anticipate where the action will be, this lens can really perform. In terms of camera body, I have a relatively inexpensive D7000 and it serves me well. I plan to purchase a teleconverter x1.4 for the 60/90 fields and use it primarily for day games. 

Now, I have a question about video. Since I'm usually on the field photographing, I'd like to video. My son has a GoPro 3 White. I'm thinking of getting the remote so I can turn on/off from field. Can you all reply if you prefer the GoPro mounted high above, behind plate OR have the wife use the iphone7 to video at bats? Since the latter option involves my wife operating an electronic device, perhaps I have answered my own question.��

I use a lynkspyder to mount my gopro on the fence behind the plate as high as I can reach to make sure to not obstruct anyones view. I have the 3+ and I can use the app on my phone to start and stop recording. The mount is around $50 but well worth it. It stays on the fence even after many foul balls. Check out lynkspyder.com, I also bought a tool pouch from Lowes that I hook on the bottom of the mount to hold an external battery to make sure I get the whole game recorded without having to change batteries.

Lynkspyder is a fantastic product.  Unfortunately, most of the HS's we play have netting backstops, so you definitely need to know what most fields you'll be shooting have.

Nuke83 posted:

What are you looking to get from the video, specifically?  Is it for recruiting video, or time lapse type shots?

Very important to understand because if it is for the former, GoPro is a horrible solution.  Very wide angle, so unless you can get very close, the slow motion FPS are of relatively little value if videoing game action.

If you're looking to capture AB's. or side/front shots of live pitching sequence, you're much better off to invest in a digital zoom Canon or Sony, or upgrade your DSLR to one what shoots video, and you can take advantage or your existing lens arsenal.

Personally, I use a Sony HDR-CX380 to shoot video (and I've done several recruiting videos for my sons teammates), and I have a Canon 7D mkII and 1DX mkII with 2.8 70-200 L IS and 2.8 300 L IS, for shooting still sports (yes, a small fortune, but I got all this instead of a boat).

My son is a 2022, so recruiting isn't the purpose. Just trying to get AB videos for entertainment value. I really like using my iPhone for this along with its instructional purpose too. My only requirement is it has to be stationary.  Maybe I set up phone with one of those monkey like armed camera phone holders and wrap around fence or situate on netting(?) Wife would simply punch record button. Lol.

PROBEAGLE posted:
Nuke83 posted:

What are you looking to get from the video, specifically?  Is it for recruiting video, or time lapse type shots?

Very important to understand because if it is for the former, GoPro is a horrible solution.  Very wide angle, so unless you can get very close, the slow motion FPS are of relatively little value if videoing game action.

If you're looking to capture AB's. or side/front shots of live pitching sequence, you're much better off to invest in a digital zoom Canon or Sony, or upgrade your DSLR to one what shoots video, and you can take advantage or your existing lens arsenal.

Personally, I use a Sony HDR-CX380 to shoot video (and I've done several recruiting videos for my sons teammates), and I have a Canon 7D mkII and 1DX mkII with 2.8 70-200 L IS and 2.8 300 L IS, for shooting still sports (yes, a small fortune, but I got all this instead of a boat).

My son is a 2022, so recruiting isn't the purpose. Just trying to get AB videos for entertainment value. I really like using my iPhone for this along with its instructional purpose too. My only requirement is it has to be stationary.  Maybe I set up phone with one of those monkey like armed camera phone holders and wrap around fence or situate on netting(?) Wife would simply punch record button. Lol.

Not trying to downplay the "monkey like arm" gizmos, as they have their purpose.  Just keep in mind that if a foul ball hits it, it will break and the camera/phone will probably fall.  While I have a vested interest, I would encourage you to check out LynkSpyder.  This is a rugged mount that was designed for the GoPro to keep it solid in place, well protected, and shoot through the openings of the fence to get great video.  IF you want to mount your smart phone, we recommend adding a RetiCAM clamp between the phone and LynkSpyder.  Check out:

www.lynkspyder.com

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Panasonic FZ1000.  No more lugging around a DSLR with obnoxious zoom lens ("Excuse me, are you with SI?"  -  "Nope, I'm #10's Dad!")  Anyhow, FZ1000 1" sensor w/great IQ, image stabilized, fast & accurate focus, 400mm reach, 4K video, and it's not huge.  The feature I am really looking forward to testing is the 8MP image capture from 4K video--no excuse now for missing a shot! 

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