Question to group:
Does Baseball America only have kid's that have gone to Perfect Game events in their data base?
There are several highly rated kids in the NW that never show up in their rankings.
Thanks
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No, you don't have to go to a PG event. As far as I know they are separate businesses that do share information.
Its not possible to catch every single kid. Send them and/or PG a note about the kids and they'll likely ask around about them from scouts, etc...
Its not possible to catch every single kid. Send them and/or PG a note about the kids and they'll likely ask around about them from scouts, etc...
WildThing:
Which prospects are you referring to?
Which prospects are you referring to?
quote:There are several highly rated kids in the NW that never show up in their rankings.
Have those player's left the NW to be seen.
You have to be seen outside of the NW.
Also there are alot of player's in the NW that don't go to the showcases that do show up in the NW. WHY??
There not going to come find you.
You have to make yourself availiable to the scout's and recruiter's for them to grade there talent.
That's just the way it is.
EH
quote:You have to make yourself availiable to the scout's and recruiter's for them to grade there talent.
That's just the way it is.
Sad but true. Unfortunatly, unless you're from CA or other baseball "hotbeds" those opportunities are sometimes far and few between. Tongue-n-cheek says blame it on mom and dad for living in the wrong part of the country. Reality says opportunities have to be realized and taken advantage of.
With that said, and this is no cut on anyone, but folks in those hotbeds will never understand what it's like to be a "player" in the boonies.
RZ1,
I understand what your saying.
I'm from the NW, and moved to N. Cali 4 1/2 year's ago.
I know the mindset of the NW parent.
Oh you don't have to go to that are this.
If your good enough they will find you??
Obviously there's talent in the NW.
And as far as SW Washington it is well represented.
Peavey, Ponciano. just to name a couple.
But those player's have played more outside of the NW then most any other Player.
Snyder played for an OHIO team at Jupitor last year.
So you need to be seen. JMHO EH
I understand what your saying.
I'm from the NW, and moved to N. Cali 4 1/2 year's ago.
I know the mindset of the NW parent.
Oh you don't have to go to that are this.
If your good enough they will find you??
Obviously there's talent in the NW.
And as far as SW Washington it is well represented.
Peavey, Ponciano. just to name a couple.
But those player's have played more outside of the NW then most any other Player.
Snyder played for an OHIO team at Jupitor last year.
So you need to be seen. JMHO EH
EH,
I agree with you and was making a statement that is often overlooked by people in other parts of the country. I am from one of those baseball "deepfreezers" and our family understood that we had to go out of State for any "real" baseball experience. An example: WI has only one elite travel team, the Midwest Blazers, and they play in the Fall. That in itself is a huge hurdle when trying to get consistant exposure.
I agree with you and was making a statement that is often overlooked by people in other parts of the country. I am from one of those baseball "deepfreezers" and our family understood that we had to go out of State for any "real" baseball experience. An example: WI has only one elite travel team, the Midwest Blazers, and they play in the Fall. That in itself is a huge hurdle when trying to get consistant exposure.
I know that all of us have seen Athlete's thru out are life,
That just given the chance are had been seen by the right person could of made it.
Made what, I don't know.
But they just were not seen.
Not that just being seen is going to do it for you.
You have to have some talent and projectability.
But at least you know you did everything possiable.
Plus with Oregon St. winning the CWS, didn't hurt the NW player.
EH
That just given the chance are had been seen by the right person could of made it.
Made what, I don't know.
But they just were not seen.
Not that just being seen is going to do it for you.
You have to have some talent and projectability.
But at least you know you did everything possiable.
Plus with Oregon St. winning the CWS, didn't hurt the NW player.
EH
quote:Plus with Oregon St. winning the CWS, didn't hurt the NW player.
Just wait for the Univ of WI to win the CWS, then things will open up in the North
.........Oops, the UW doesnt have a team.
quote:
Just wait for the Univ of WI to win the CWS, then things will open up in the North
Greg Peavy for one has played on Team USA for the last couple of years but never showed up on any list for 2007 until this year.
There are dozens of Pro Scounts that live in and around the SW Washington area. There is a NW web site that yearly ranks players in the NW by class but unless these kids have gone to a paid event they never seem to show up in BA rankings. It's just an observation. It seems that if you don't see a players profile in PG then don't make the BA rankings.
By the way, the NW kids I read about play from Canada to Arizona, Texas and Florida and points East. They are usually very competitive just ask Texas and North Carolina.
There are dozens of Pro Scounts that live in and around the SW Washington area. There is a NW web site that yearly ranks players in the NW by class but unless these kids have gone to a paid event they never seem to show up in BA rankings. It's just an observation. It seems that if you don't see a players profile in PG then don't make the BA rankings.
By the way, the NW kids I read about play from Canada to Arizona, Texas and Florida and points East. They are usually very competitive just ask Texas and North Carolina.
I read somewhere, maybe here, that 70% of minor league pitchers are from south of the Mason Dixon line and 70% of major league pitchers are from north of the Mason Dixon line. Not sure if its true, though.
Dad04,
That's interesting. If true, you might be able to attribute it to the "fresh arm" theory. While most Southern pitchers have been able to pitch in warm weather the whole year all their life there may be more premature "dead arms" when they reach their early to mid 20's. Up North the winter throwing workouts involves only snowballs at moving objects.
That's interesting. If true, you might be able to attribute it to the "fresh arm" theory. While most Southern pitchers have been able to pitch in warm weather the whole year all their life there may be more premature "dead arms" when they reach their early to mid 20's. Up North the winter throwing workouts involves only snowballs at moving objects.
Up North you get plenty of time to work on fundamentals. Yes, it is inside but maybe some of the good results are due to more indoor facilities.
rz1,
Maybe snowballs are good overload/underload training?
Maybe snowballs are good overload/underload training?
There are not that many indoor facilities up North in comparison as it is not really cost effective operation. In order to recoup the overhead costs (building, taxes, heat, etc..) a facility almost has to be a year round operation. By the time March rolls around no one wants to be indoors. In Madison and the surrounding area where there are 500,000 people, there is 1 quality indoor baseball facility, and that's relativily new and the quality is nothing near the indoor places I've seen in FL, AZ, and CA. Most of baseball players ages 12-18 in WI shut down in Oct. and don't see dirt until April. That's not to say they don't workout, but there is very limited throwing.
quote:Maybe snowballs are good overload/underload training?
and the restrictive clothing and mittens ensures that you don't "throw your arm out".
. The only winter arm injuries "shoulder tendonitis" caused by drilling to many holes in the ice while fishing.quote:Originally posted by wildthingking:
It seems that if you don't see a players profile in PG then don't make the BA rankings.
wildthingking - I'm going off memory a little here, but I believe our son showed up in their rankings back in 2002/03 before they had a posted profile of him from a showcase or anything else. He did play in JOs (Tuscon) and a small MLK tournament in Orange County with them in attendance...otherwise he had only been to one small/local showcase unrelated to PG.
quote:Originally posted by Bum:
Let's clear up a few misconceptions for those of you that don't live in Washington or the Northwest.
1) Washington is an average population state. Just over 6 million. Yet it is #7 in terms of those kids drafted. It is, in fact, a baseball hotbed.
2) Washington is NOT a cold weather state. That's Minnesota, Wisconsin, what have you, but NOT Washington. Just look at any geotherm map in the Winter. It's proximity to the ocean moderates the temperatures. (Ignore the cold snap we're having this coming week, though.)
3) California is no longer the center of culture in the U.S. You get your lattes, your airplanes, your software, and your best freaky music from the Northwest. And Washington is becoming quite famous for great pitching!
4) For those of you who have never visited the Northwest, leave the umbrella at home. The truth is, nearly every city east of the Rockies gets WAY more precipitation per year. In fact, most of Eastern Washington is desert, with some towns getting nearly 300 days of sunshine a year!
5) The Mariners -- down as they are -- are still one of the top draws in MLB.
(No knock on California, really.. lot of friends there!)
Bum.
Leave the umbrella at home?
How many of us will be traveling to Eastern Washington?
I believe it has rained every day this month and that the sun shines about 60 days (1 in 6) per year in Seattle.
Pullleeeezze!
Leave the umbrella at home?
How many of us will be traveling to Eastern Washington?
I believe it has rained every day this month and that the sun shines about 60 days (1 in 6) per year in Seattle.
Pullleeeezze!
OH no Bum,
Now you went and done it.
You went and let the secret out.
Woody what are we going to do??
OK go to plan B.
You divert there attention to aaahhh,
aaahhh, ooohhh,
You know, Do what you do best!!
I repair the damage on my end.
EH
Now you went and done it.
You went and let the secret out.
Woody what are we going to do??
OK go to plan B.
You divert there attention to aaahhh,
aaahhh, ooohhh,
You know, Do what you do best!!
I repair the damage on my end.
EH
soxnole,
I grew up in Seattle. Yup, November is rainy. But mostly when it rains it drizzles. Ya just wipe it off your mop and move on. I've never owned an umbrella in my life.. in fact, you can always tell a true Seattlite.. it's only the transplants that carry the umbrella.
I grew up in Seattle. Yup, November is rainy. But mostly when it rains it drizzles. Ya just wipe it off your mop and move on. I've never owned an umbrella in my life.. in fact, you can always tell a true Seattlite.. it's only the transplants that carry the umbrella.
Actually kids can get lost in shuffle in SoCal. The kid who would be a varsity starter on almost any team in "cold weather" states may be struggling to make JV in a strong league in SoCal.
CADad,
No argument there. So Cal, Texas, and Florida still rule when it comes to prospects. My son played in Las Vegas a few years against many teams from that area.. and I've seen those California teams in the Junior Olympics and Jr. Fall Classic. No, the norm is definitely NOT high 80's, but you have many that's for sure.
EH, I am so very sorry for releasing that top-secret information.
I've gone to the publisher.. getting back the copies today.. renaming the title .. "HOW I WOULD MAKE IT RAIN IN SEATTLE IF IT RAINED IN SEATTLE" to "HOW THE TORRENTS IN SEATTLE MAKE BASEBALL IMPOSSIBLE"
No argument there. So Cal, Texas, and Florida still rule when it comes to prospects. My son played in Las Vegas a few years against many teams from that area.. and I've seen those California teams in the Junior Olympics and Jr. Fall Classic. No, the norm is definitely NOT high 80's, but you have many that's for sure.
EH, I am so very sorry for releasing that top-secret information.
I've gone to the publisher.. getting back the copies today.. renaming the title .. "HOW I WOULD MAKE IT RAIN IN SEATTLE IF IT RAINED IN SEATTLE" to "HOW THE TORRENTS IN SEATTLE MAKE BASEBALL IMPOSSIBLE"
There you go Bum.
plan C.
CADad, That might be true to a certain extent.
But I could make a team of NW player's that would beat any team in the Country including PR,DR,Japan, Mexico. ECT.
Maybe not every game, But would have a winning %.
They take there baseball very seriosly in the NW.
They play with a little chip on there shoulder.
They want to prove something to everybody that they can play some ball.
Same goes for other part's of this great country.
It has to do with the type of training and the Coaches that are willing to work hard to make there area of the Country
as competitive as it can be.
EH
plan C.
CADad, That might be true to a certain extent.
But I could make a team of NW player's that would beat any team in the Country including PR,DR,Japan, Mexico. ECT.
Maybe not every game, But would have a winning %.
They take there baseball very seriosly in the NW.
They play with a little chip on there shoulder.
They want to prove something to everybody that they can play some ball.
Same goes for other part's of this great country.
It has to do with the type of training and the Coaches that are willing to work hard to make there area of the Country
as competitive as it can be.
EH